Should Clinton win by double digits Sanders should send a back channel communique to Clinton that heās backing off, but staying in until she gets 2026. Then get as many delegates as he can by talking about his positives and not Clintonās negatives, and use those delegates to influence the platform and VP selection.
I think Tuesday I will go to an opera and listen to a fat lady sing.
And then the proof in the puddingā¦Is Bernie Sanders a Democrat?..will he help Hillary Clinton
get elected in Novemberā¦
Thatās not how it works, howeverā¦regarding the VP selection. Sure, she might do some calculus and think that picking someone exclusively along ideological lines is the way to ensure she has the best chance at winning in the fallā¦or she might do the same calculus and determine that going with someone based on demographics, age, gender, geography might have an bigger impact. Or perhaps some combo of the above factors.
The important point however, is that SHE gets to do that calculus, not the losing candidate. The difference between Hillary and Bernie is going to be much bigger in terms of delegates and votes, than it was in 2008 between Obama and Hillary. And Hillary didāt make the choice of Joe Biden for Obamaās running mateā¦Obama did.
Early polling from Indiana shows her with a small lead there and I expect her to get a bump Tuesday going into the May states. She definitely got a bump from NY.
The MtP interview this morning gives some indications that he wonāt.
āBut if that scenario plays out, the major responsibility will be on Secretary Clinton to convince all people, not just supporters, that she is the kind of president this country needs to represent working people in this country, to take on the big money interests who have so much power, to fight for what the American people want.ā
Clinton would have to be āvery explicit about supporting a program which stands up for the needs of the middle class and working families, which, most importantly, makes it clear that she is prepared to take on Wall Street in a very clear way, take on the billionaire class, come up with a program that makes health care for all in this country a right within the next several years,ā Sanders responded.
This is the same interview where he blames his losses on poor people not voting. Because obviously its never Bernieās fault. But I do find trying to trace the logic in his blame game rather confusing. Apparently it was all those rich blacks in the South that voted for Hillary and against Bernieā¦and the poor people just stayed at home. Who knew?
Yeahā¦thatās my read, too. She takes 4 out of 5 (maybe all 5) on Tuesday, with big wins in PA, MD and CT, and the Bernie campaign really gets its feet put to the coals about justifying moving on. The combination of pigheaded responses from Weaver, with the positive āwinningā new coverage gives Hillary an increasing bump going forward.
Thatās exactly how it works. The more support he has at the show, the more push he has on issues and the platform. He canāt name the VP pick or dictate the platform, but he can certainly put names in the pot and be in the room making arguments. In return, he allows a smooth nomination process.
In 2008 Clinton got concessions on the platform and other things because she released her delegates, placed Obama into nomination herself and asked him to be nominated by acclimation.
Sanders could hold out his delegates and require them to vote for him on the first ballot, creating a long, drawn out process that will not look good on TV. They have a chance to look organized and together in comparison to the clown car GOP platform a week or so earlier. Sanders can prevent that unless they give him things.
ĀØDespite the passions stirred during the primary, Mrs. Clinton does not feel pressure to enthrall the supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, since she thinks most of them would ultimately vote for her, an assertion backed up by polling.ĀØ
So, Clinton isnĀ“t worried about it; doesnĀ“t think she has to woo Sanders supporters; and itĀ“ll be all SandersĀ“ fault if doesnĀ“t work his tail off to get Clinton elected in the fall.
Do I have the HRC fan spin down correctly now?
No. But youāve got the CarlosFiance tapdance down pat.
jw1
He can get concessions, possibly, on the platformā¦in fact, he will probably get actual people sitting in the committee responsible for drafting the platform. But with regards to the VP? No. Bernie is not nearly as close as Bernie supporters seem to think he is. He will be significantly behind in total delegates, pledge delegates, total votes and total contests won. Hillary will have a bigger margin in all of those categories than what Obama had in 2008.
He will not be āputting names in the potā or āin the room making argumentsā. In case you havenāt noticed, the Clinton campaign is already starting the public portion of the VP name guess gameā¦and Bernie aināt involved.
I would even suggest that, depending on how he plays things in the coming weeks, Bernie is on the bubble even concerning the input he would have on the platform, or what speaking position he gets at the convention. This is not a Democratic insiderā¦this is a man who has run as an independentā¦including quite often against Democrats, who has spent much of the last month attacking not only Hillary, but the Democratic party at largeā¦and is continuing to do on an interview with MtP today.
You donāt get to piss all over the entire Democratic Party, lose the primary by every measure, and then choose the running mate and determine the main political message.
My favorite author over at The Week magazine covered some of what you suggested. Good article by Ryan Cooper: http://theweek.com/articles/619578/why-bernie-sanders-right-mistrust-democratic-party
Here is another along the same lines: http://theweek.com/articles/619848/why-bernie-sanders-should-never-give
And? Suing the party was pretty poor optics as well.
You donāt sh^t in a bed you intend to sleep in.
Which again begs Sen Sandersā intentions moving forward.
jw1
I know it probably flies right over youā¦but the big difference in the two quotes?
The one I quoted was directly from Bernie Sanders. The one you quoted was from a reporter/pundit opining on their view of the Clinton campaign.
You personally are going to be very disappointed when no Clinton supporters get on bended knee and beg for your vote. Because you donāt actually speak or represent most of the Sanders supporters.
You might try responding to the post rather than engaging in put downs.
Like I said: no soul.
Oh, Davey. You are to straw man to what Michael Jackson was to moon-walking.
That is because the Sanders campaign sends them fundraising emails indicating that he can still win, and they seek information which confirms that. His campaign messaging sounds like Baghdad Bob.
Now Sanders complains he lost in certain primary states because āpoor people donāt vote.ā
The rest of Sanderās comments in that article are moot as his and Hillaryās policies goals are basically the same but that comment on making healthcare a right is important. I donāt know if Sanderās is playing loose with the language (likely) and using ārightā in a constitutional manner but itās an important distinction. Healthcare for all is one thing, making it a legal right is an entirely different prospect. If heās demanding something like that in order to release delegates or campaign for Hillary during the general election then heās not being realistic and is purposefully being a spoiler.
Iām not a āSanders supporterā and Iām well aware that Clinton will be farther ahead than Obama was.