Discussion: New Poll: Clinton Beats Trump In Seven Battleground States

It would be nice to think Trump will be the first major party candidate to get zero electoral votes.

Never been more deserved.

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Holy shit. This is a catastrophe for Trump that renders national polls even more irrelevant than usual. The headline ought to be:

“Orange Man Turns Purple States Deep Blue!”

This makes it clear that to whatever extent Trump is polling even in the ballpark with Hillary nationally, his share is inflated, even more than usual, by a run-up of his numbers by SWP’s in the deep red crazy states. Not but what I wouldn’t love to see some polling in the deep red crazy states, but who the hell would waste money polling there (or in the deep blues) at this point?

My only real concern would be that with numbers like this, pollsters will start writing off some of the battlegrounds too early, stop polling there and miss important movement. On the up-side, if she inherited Obama’s operation, Hillary won’t.

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It would be an historic repudiation, but he’ll get Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kansas, and Oklahoma no matter what.

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Trump: I only trust Trump Polls, LLC. I am almost at 100%, winning all states and Scotland. I guarantee you that its very fair polling outfit

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But, but, but I just saw a headline in the NY Times (Play organ music) where Drumpf and Hilary were, gulp, tied!

Could it be that the major media outlets, like the NY times, advertise such headlines in a cynical attempt to keep this as some sort of “horse-race”; thereby advocating their responsibility of comparing and contrasting the qualifications of the major candidates because if they (horror!) did so, no one with an IQ above their shoe size would vote for Frankentrump?

Naaaaah.

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I’d sure like to see the numbers for Georgia and Arizona, too. [ ETA : And North Carolina. Would REALLY love to see tRump’s massive FAIL sweep a huge chunk of that festering fucking pig-shit Republican Klan out of office in NC. The state has turned into a complete fucking misery of the nastiest of the ugliest shit from the bottom of the Republican outhouse. ]

Just … Holy. Fucking. Crap.

All I can say is … we all need to double- and triple-down in every ticket in every state. Push tRump’s head into a toilet and drown him in it, along with all the hopes and dreams of the entire fucking Republican party.

No. Fucking. Quarter.

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49-35 in Pennsylvania? Maybe that will calm down the critics somewhat.

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Trump (In Nov 2016, after a complete loss): This was very good election for me. It proved that a successful businessman is not fit to become POTUS. And thats too bad. But the frightening part for the country is that I became Republican Nominee. How is that possible. Republican voters are so easily conned. They are just dumb. I love Hillary. She will attend my next wedding when I marry a Muslim from Mexico.

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That would mean Toomey is likely to win. It should be close forcing Hillary to campaign.

Clinton is actually leading in Kansas in the only poll there so far (caveat: it’s a Zogby poll).

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Totes off topic…

I have been trying to track down when/where this usage started. It seems - though I could just not have been paying attention - that it is only recently, say the last 2-3 years, that everybody is now using “an” even though “historic” starts with a consonant sound. We don’t say “an hip replacement” or “an history book”, but now I can’t swing an dead cat without seeing/hearing “an historic”. An NPR host used it just yesterday so clearly it’s not just some internet thing.

Where did this come from? British English maybe? NCSteve, have you always used it this way? Maybe different regions of the US were just taught different usage for a/an, and as I said I just wasn’t paying attention until starting 2-3 years ago?

Grammar sites still seem to agree that it should be “a”, but maybe it’s one of those living language things and the word “historic” will be the one exception to the a+vowel sound/an+consonant sound rule.

Edit - ok, a clue. 18th/19th century pronunciation of “historic” did not include the “h” sound, so it was “istoric”. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/a-historic-event-or-an-historic-event

The thing is, with NPR for example (and all other times in my recent memory where I’ve heard the phrase), the speaker has said “an historic”, with the “h” clearly pronounced. Just as they would with “an hip replacement”. I gotta figure out where that came from.

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So, basically, we have no data about Kansas.

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I like how a Quinnipiac poll released on the same day shows Clinton with only a narrow lead over Trump. It just shows how no one poll should ever warrant much attention, let alone a headline. Of note, a total of 97 head to head Clinton vs Trump polls have been done since May 2015. Of these Trump beat Clinton in only nine polls. Four of those nine polls were done by FOX News and two were done by Rasmussen. Also, not a single poll has shown Trump beating Clinton since May 19. I would call that a trend.

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I can’t believe I typed that. And, given that I’m on a Mac right now, I may not have. (DYAC!)

I normally use “a historic” when I write, though I think if I listened to myself when I speak (and I try not to, because its always a tedious and boring exercise), I’d hear myself saying “an historic.”

There was discussion about this in Time Magazine when Geraldine Ferraro was selected as VP and the cover also called it “An Historic Choice?”.

I agree, it’s an exception to an exception to the rule, but dammit, “a historic choice” just sounds wrong.

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It makes sense in certain dialects of British English, where they pronounce it 'istoric, with a silent H.

The very well might be, if you consider the margin of error.

I was taught in junior high school that it is “an” hour, “an” historic, along with the “an” for words starting with a vowel: "an’ apple, “an” earful, etc. That was 35+ years ago.

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See, that’s interesting. To me, “an historic” is jarring, if the “h” is pronounced (and it nearly always is, by American speakers). But since the emphasis with “historic” is on the second syllable, and so the “h” sound is somewhat muted, I can see how it goes both ways. My other examples, “an hip replacement” or “an history book” are more obviously weird I guess because the emphasis is right on that “h” sound.

Anyway, it’s not as big of a deal as “begs the question” (THAT’S NOT WHAT IT MEANS, CHRIS HAYES!), so we can get back on topic now! :smile:

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