All unwanted sexual advances are power plays. I agree there are degrees of difference, and some power plays are worse than others.
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Um, since when is molesting a 14 year old by a 26 year old āmaking a passā?
This is trivializing the serious cases, such as Trump and Weinstein. One young man, drunk, saw another young man on his bed seemingly waiting for him at the end of a party. They wrestled briefly with clothes on. That did not, by the standards of its time, rise to the level of assault. When it was clear the younger man had no interest in going farther, he freely left.
Putting Spacey in the same category as men who have committed multiple rapes, such as Weinstein and, by many accounts, Trump, is absurd and debases the case against the truly evil. Young men will wrestle. Itās most often neither gay nor erotic. Punishing Spacey decades later for briefly wrestling when a youth is bizarre and wrong.
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What story did you read? Your account is way off, even if you consider that youāre talking about a 14 year old being molested by someone almost twice their age.
oh godā¦
If there are no other allegations (assuming this is serious) popping up, I think we could accept his apology for a drunken piece of idiocy three decades ago. This is not Trump or Weinstein. The problem types have reveled in such behavior, and has the alleged victim been severely damaged? (To be determined of course.)
I donār think many of us can accept living in a society where every accusation of some long forgotten or even nonexistent event can be handed to the media to destroy todayās life. If this event is in any way real, the two of them need to work out the outcome. Society needs to recognize that such behavior is not acceptable, and then establish mutuality satisfactory ways of dealing with such problems - and of recognizing the power relationships involved. Who was Kevin Spacey three decades ago? Could he - did he - crush an allegation?
The problem is not sex. It is power discrepancies. I am not sure the media is capable of such distinctions. We know that Trump is and was a very mentally sick individual with too damned much money to arbitrarily use to hurt others. This does not look to me like such a situation. Nor is it one I think I need to investigate further just because the media gets their knickers in a twist over sex and potential click-bait.
The power-players involved are already involved when the production was suspended.
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Speak for yourself.
Iām a man and I agree with him. Most of us are pigs. You should hear what men talk about when there are no women around.
Itās disgusting.
Thatās the scary part. Heaven forbid youāre not guilty. How does one defend oneself?
Guess you canāt except demand the accuser present some evidence, but weāre going to see a rash of valid and manufactured lawsuits after all the publicity of sexual harassment. It will become a cottage industry analogous to the lawsuits over handicapped access.
Sad part is that sexual harassment and even rape is/was common in the workplace, most of it gone without remedy.
There are two parts that make sense of the abundance of caution. The fact the alleged incident happened with a 14 year old and Spaceyās response.
Seriously, itās weird to bring up, āhey all, Iām gayā (which I already knew so that closet door was at least open) in response to someone saying āyou assaulted me moments after I hit pubertyā.
We also donāt know everything they know or if there have been rumors floating about Spacey for years that could be influencing their decision.
Iām not assuming anything, neither a producer overreaction nor wrongdoing by Spacey.
I was wondering if there were already rumors or people talking not willing to go public. Spaceyās statement was also weirdā¦
Iām not sure some people are grasping how weird it is to bring up his sexuality in response to allegations he sexually assaulted a child.
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OK, crucify Spacy, but what did he do that Roman Polansky didnāt do ā and heās still lionized by Hollywood. Not to mention Woody Allen. I guess some pervs are more equal than others.
Iāve always found Spacey creepy. Itās why he was so brilliant in *The Usual Suspects" and his other roles.
Iām treading dangerously here. Some 71 year-old persons should be required to be monitored at all times so they donāt kill the planet in a fit of pique. Some 15 year-old persons are already predators.
I donāt include Spacey in either category.
Do we really need these sideshows to keep us from paying attention ?
Theyāre going to put everyone on this show out of work because of Kevin Spacey?
This is a ridiculous over-reaction by Netflix that will make me think twice about watching their material in the future.
Predator is probably too strong of a word as Iāve kind of pointed out in other replies. But Iād guess most men, yes not all but certainly a large majority say maybe 80% or more, are ready and willing to have sex with a willing partner of their sexual preference. And Iād guess a large majority of that 80% have a tendency to push to have their way to some extent. As Iāve said in other replies, I really think this is just a genetic trait that helped early humans produce more offspring and hence be more likely to survive. Much like this same tendency in wild animals probably helps them survive and become the majority. Like it or not humans evolved from the wild and even though we have evolved beyond some things, we still have some of these wild tendencies.
For what itās worth, this is actually a pretty good column by Brooks for a change. The way it started off I almost thought he was living the fantasy that men didnāt tend to think with their dick, which is what I believe the majority do, but heās talking about prepuberty. After puberty I think heās got a realistic description of how the majority of men are either prospectors or predators.