Right of the bat I think it is given that quislings manchin, Donelly and Heitkamp will support their fellow knuckle draggers as fast as they can.
This gives the thugs the “bipartisan” support they want. If these three expect anything in return they are fools. people will always vote for a real thug instead of a pretend one every time.
Hell NARAL and other org’s. can expect to be put on terrorist watch list ( along with ACLU, Planned Parenthood, any Conservation group or anyone opposed to the usurpers misgovernment)
All the congressional D’s will do is wring their hands in consteration and keep collecting donations.
Heaven forbid if they do anything that might risk their future paychecks as lobbyist’s or consultants.
Now instead of actually fighting for constituency they will recognize the real power is with the Benjamins and the only sin is caring about anything else but their pay off is treason.
Now that in one fell swoop the “leaders” of the D party lost both the civil war and the cold war by incompetence, and unwillingness to stand for the people rather then to continue to empower the bankers, racist’s and delusional.
I will start wearing a Mourning band with
"Requiem en Paacem
USA Constitution, Gov and Aspirations
B July4 1776 - D Jan 20 2017 "
I don’t ask for any elected official to do so since this might be disruptive and heaven forbid if a D legislature risked offending the thugs. There are some things that just aren’t done if you wish to stay in the good graces of the “right” people.
Just take your cue from hillary. Give craven concession and slink off to a well feathered nest to call speakers bureau for next gig at Goldman Sachs.
Do you feel better now that you’ve shouted into cyberspace? Quelle asshole.
Quelle asshole? You are the definition of everything wrong with Democrats.
Good. Organizations like this need to play hardball with waffling Democrats just as Democrats need to play hardball with all Conservatives. The time for arguing about what is right or wrong is past, it’s time for action.
Donate: http://www.naral.org
Pretty sure that nobody will be supporting Democrats if they cave and help Republicans dismantle O’Care. Manchin, Heidtkamp, et al have to realize sooner or later that the only thing that will save their seats is switching to Republicans. If they simply carry Republican water, they’ll still end up facing actual Republicans, and no Democrat will go out of their way to help them.
By the way, what ever happened with Manchin’s stunt about shutting down the government to get health care for miners? I’m gathering that didn’t go so well.
Good, make sure Dems don’t waffle on this and give no quarter if the replacement isn’t up to snuff.
It is time for Democrats to stand for what we believe in, much more of this please.
lol…what a joke…OF COURSE democrats will be ALL IN supporting the fuhrer…no matter what policy he destroys.
you think this country could have ever come to what it now is…had it a REAL democratic party that supported the working class?
why isnt chuckie boy shouting from the lawn that like republicans said…dems WILL NOT be supporting anything the fuhrer does?
it is time people stop pretending that the democratic party is NOT the same as the republican party…because when it counts the most…they can ALWAYS be counted on the serve their masters…wall street/elite…and undermining everyone else.
no doubt chuckie HAS already sold out the people…and cut deals with the fuhrer…insuring billions for his buddies!
Some of the same Democratic lawmakers told TPM earlier this month that they would be open to fixing Obamacare…
They should stop right there. If the ACA needs fixing, then fix it. Done. You’re welcome.
Does anyone at NARAL really think Republicans are going to offer a replacement?
That Politico article makes it clear that the vast majority of Senate Dems they talked to are just making noises of helping. Their help is predicated on the Republicans basically not changing anything major. We all know that isn’t going to happen. When their solution fails, the results will all be on them. Providing them with cover won’t be helpful for re-election.
No problem NARAL. Donate to the Republicans instead then.
I’m sure they’ll totally support your views.
After a little kabuki theatre for the rubes at home he, and the rest of the senate d’s, folded like a cheap suit.
All we can expect from the congressional d’s is kabuki, and bemoaning their lack of a spine.
Hell shumer is already negotiating his terms of surrender with comrade drumpf so he can protect his mutual fund masters.
With this as the minority speaker we will never have to worry of the D’s ever having a majority leader again.
Coupled with republicrat candinate from idaho for DNC chair why not just fold up camp and join the thugs.
Seems like the problem is that the GOP doesn’t need votes to dismantle Obamacare, they can do that through reconciliation, with a simple majority vote in the Senate (and they have plenty of votes in the House of course). Where they would need Democratic votes is to overcome a potential Dem filibuster in the Senate, when it comes to the “replacement” part. And that puts Dems in a real bind – even if the “replacement” falls far short of helping all the people who were helped by Obamacare, it may provide some coverage to at least some of those left out in the cold due to the repeal. If Dems block that with a filibuster, the GOP may use that as their excuse to do no replacement at all, and will have a ready-made argument for why people should blame that on the Dems.
So when it comes to the “replace” part, the problem may not be just blue-dog Dems going along with Trump to try to save their asses in red-state districts, there may also be an element of other Dems wanting to salvage what they can for people who might be “helped” by the replacement (“helped” not compared to Obamacare, of course, but compared to doing nothing and having no replacement bill at all). I don’t think it will be clear what will happen until a “replacement” bill is proposed (if that ever happens), and wrangled over, and amended and reaches the point where Dems have to decide whether to filibuster in the Senate (assuming the GOP hasn’t already nuked the filibuster).
Agreed. I absolutely love this idea. I would love nothing more than if every left or left leaning organization threw down the gauntlet and made clear to Blue Dogs that if they think they need to vote for repeal (and a litany of other things), they won’t get reelected because they won’t have the money to do so. I’d go even further and say they need to make it clear that not only will they withhold financial support, they’ll instead donate it to their primary challengers.
Modern contraceptives prevent so many abortions that everyone who cares about helping people, instead of judging them, should be all in favor of keeping the reproductive health care coverage, intact.
The state of technology is such that NARAL should be obsolete. It only remains necessary because of Rumpublicans who’d rather judge 10 women for the cost of helping 12.
Again, the issue isn’t so much the “repeal” part, which the GOP can do on their own through reconciliation, but what happens if/when the GOP proposes a “replace” bill to try to clean up the mess their repeal causes. Assuming the “replace” bill provides at least some help to those left in the lurch by the repeal, do Dems filibuster the “replacement,” hoping to make the GOP own the resulting mess (which by all rights they will own), but at the same time risk letting people suffer in the resulting mess? We know that the GOP is more than happy to take obstructionist stances that hurt people, but for Dems to do so is more problematic. In other words, there is a very good reason that the GOP is planning to do repeal first, then wait and do the replacement later. They know full well that once repeal is a fait accompli there will be a lot of pressure on Dems, including from their own constituents, to help clean up the mess and salvage what they can.
So as far as what’s the right thing for Dem Senators to do, and what standard we should hold them to, I guess my view is that it’s going to depend on how bad the “replacement” is, or to put it another way, how much Dems are able to extract in the way of concessions and improvements in exchange for not filibustering it. But it would have to be much different from anything we’re expecting before I would approve of any Dem actually voting for it. While the difference between not filibustering, and actually voting for the bill is – from the standpoint of the actual outcome – merely a symbolic difference, based on the kind of “replacement” bill I’m expecting, I would still want Dems to refrain from actually voting for the bill itself…especially as it is likely that this “replacement” bill will be recognized as woefully inadequate in the long run, and possibly a real disaster even in the short run.
So what I’d like to see Dem in Congress doing is (1) loudly and clearly denoucing repeal and refusing to join the GOP in the repeal vote (they can do it on their own, probably nothing we can do to stop that, but certainly no excuse for helping them) and then (2) threaten to filibuster the replacement, extract every concession and improvement possible, and only then decide on whether to allow it to come to a full vote, and (3) don’t vote for the final bill (unless, by some miracle it’s a decent bill, which I doubt), make the GOP pass it themselves, in other words make them own it.
It makes no difference what this guy says on a TPM forum. No one hears it, no one can act on it, so he’s wasting his breath. He’s here to some attention for the shit no one else anywhere else will listen to. And you, whoever you are, have no idea what my closest held feelings are about being a Democrat. Go fuck yourself.
What does your question refer to?