Discussion: Nadler To Barr: Reports Of Mueller Team Frustrations With Your Summary Are 'Troubling'

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It is disturbing to find that so much of what we consider good governance just turns out to be optional. Trump has trampled on all of the guidelines of a decent society, and no sternly worded letter is going to change that. I hope we have something with more teeth in it, and the willingness to use it.

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And before we all get in a lather over how wishy-washy the word ā€œtroublingā€ is, just understand that in the context of official bureaucratese, what Nadler just said (and what Barr most certainly read) is ā€œI know you tried to pull a fast one, you son-of-a-bitch.ā€

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:grin:

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Keep up the pressure Mr. Nadlerā€¦

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I think this is accurate.

Now letā€™s see what ensues.

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I always challenge myself to consider issues from the other sideā€™s perspective so I donā€™t turn into a partisan hack. In defense of Barr, one concern I have is how was he supposed to handle this in a way that was not political at all? Releasing summaries that damage Trump could be seen as someone with a criminal prosecution mandate wading into political Article I / impeachment / oversight issues. Mueller and DOJā€™s scope is very limited to criminal charges. To the extent that there are impeachment (or related) concerns, that is entirely up to Congress to push forward, and Barr is under no obligation to douse gasoline on the flames to give a boost to Congressā€™s oversight and potential impeachment efforts. Just seems like Barr was going to be damned and criticized no matter what he did, and since weā€™re all liberals on this site it seems like he made an objectively bad decision when it was only one that we subjectively disagree with for political bias reasons.

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All this is AND the FMR** not INSTEAD

** Full Mueller Report

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Or, ā€œBitch, I see you. We all see you.ā€ Youā€™re right, though. The point is to let Barr know that he knows about these summaries and to apply maximum pressure on Barr to stop covering for the administration before he finds his own ass in a sling.

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True indeed. Also, by governmental standards this is pretty rapid response. We are getting too used to the chaotic manner in which Trump jumps from one thing to another and that makes everything else seem slow and plodding.

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Yeah and usually he has 2 or 3 plates spinning so weā€™re used to a lot of chaos from him.

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Itā€™s on. Things were already going to be tricky for them once the real report came out, but now that we know Barr had summaries he intentionally withheld so he could put out his own spin makes him look guilty as hell. Barr wasnā€™t just the boss over the obstruction case, heā€™s also a member.

Release the Summaries!

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  1. Could have always recused.
  2. Didnā€™t have to opine on obstruction (after he already did in his job application ā€˜memoā€™).
  3. Let Congress do its job by giving it the info, post-haste. No reason for the delay. If Congress leaks, thatā€™s not on him.

I disagree with him politically for a host of things heā€™s done over his career. He also happens to have done an objectively bad job in this. (Ask a lawyer what they think of his take on obstructionā€¦ Either the manā€™s too stupid for his job or heā€™s a hack.)

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Barr couldnā€™t release the summaries and remain the presidentā€™s lawyer: clearly, whatever was in them would have required that the whole report be made available to followup on the allegations they contained, which seemingly wouldnā€™t have ā€˜exoneratedā€™ Hair Furor.
Such an outcome wasnā€™t included in, either, William Barrā€™s job description or his application for employment.

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Heā€™s also breaking precedent bigly: He couldā€™ve gone to a judge and gotten permission for the Judiciary Cmte to see the entire report. Thatā€™s exactly what was done with Nixon and Clinton. He couldā€™ve done it two weeks ago.

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Barr has a lot more fortitude than I do.

Trump is mentally ill
McConnell is a sadist

So I excuse those two for psychiatric reasonsā€¦but assuming Barr is ā€œnormalā€ (like me :laughing:)ā€¦I could not imagine doing what Barr is now doing, things which will ā€œlive in infamyā€.

For a very long ttime.

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Sure, Barr may be doing his job. Assuming his job is to protect Trump rather than the actual institutions he swore an oath to defend. He could have just handed over the summaries prepared by Muellerā€™s team and been done with it.

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Barrā€™s job is Attorney General of the United States, not personal Trump lawyer. Barr owed us the report. We paid for it and he works for us, not the president.

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The US taxpayer & China (through US bonds) pays Barrā€™s salary. Show us the report.

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Nadler is putting Barr in a box.

At this point he might be offering Jeff Sessions his old job back.

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