I believe it was like 2 days later.
20 Republicans need to vote for Trumps removal in the next congress (assuming all 47 D’s and I’s support his removal). That is a bit less than 40% of their caucus. The house R Caucus is more conservative than the Senate R caucus, so i’m figuring if you can get 30% of their number that is indicative of getting a little higher percentage of Senators.
I don’t truly understand what the political fallout would be, I was wrong about just every outcome of the 2016 election. But I assume that if a majority of R’s still back Trump in both the house and Senate, that would be indicative of him still having support of the base. So no, I don’t think it would occur without political casualties.
I don’t for a moment believe this will occur. If it does, it is actually more likely that it is such a massive smoking gun that Trump losses the support of both his base (except for Roger Stone of course) and the Congress, rather than losing a minority of R’s in Congress. But if I was vote counting, 30% is the threshold i’d be aiming for.
I think the distinction Nadler was making was between and impeachable offense vs. crimes, felonies and treason.
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The optimal scenarios. Also known as wishful thinking…
My thinking all along has been this is not something any party can be in control of. Dems are in control of the process now but not of what the process ends up doing.
The reality seems to be that Dems will run investigations in the House, because they have to. And that will take them to impeachment. Or maybe not. Given the alleged crimes, impeachment seems inevitable. And if so, ideally we want the president impeached in both houses. However, politically speaking, losing Senate trial does NOT automatically endanger Dem chances in the 2020.
Indeed Clinton prevailed. But Clinton was NOT accused of criminal activity. He was impeached for bad judgement. The reason Clinton prevailed was because GOP was bonkers to go after him that way.
But if you accuse someone of serious crimes, of treason, with compelling evidence, and you present it compellingly, and the jury still acquits him - that’s on the jury, not you. And the reaction to unfair political judgement, if understood universally that way, is visceral. And lasting.
Also comparing this to Ford almost winning elections after Nixon was forced to resign is not a convincing argument. Why? Because Ford was foisted on Nixon by the GOP just after Agnew was removed from the succession line for being worse than Nixon. Moments before the constitutional crisis. Ford was put there precisely because he had an appeal and decency even as his party did not. He was put there because he was NOT Nixon man. He was a moderate Republican. Pence is radically right wing Republican with misogynistic tendencies. A VP who showed undying support for criminal president. Good luck, Pence.
Given that, Dems need to realize that a) this will happen or won’t, just relax, do your job well and b) if it happens, or rather when it happens, losing Senate vote is not the worst case scenario.
In fact, not following thru with impeachment, when it needs to happen, IS the worst case scenario. So in my mind the question of impeachment isn’t “Should we?” but “If it comes to it, how to do it right?”
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Sorry, just trying to clarify. Didn’t realize myself that it was a competition.
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You can talk about what you inferred author’s implication to have been, but inference, being subjective as it is, mine is on me. And I did get that inference, again just from the quote (didn’t read the article).
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Oh, there may have been pressure, but it was a self-inflicted wound. If Dems are to offer a better alternative, then they have to be better. The Senate used to employ Bob Packwood who also was a real hands-on kinda guy. We don’t need one of our own.
I agree completely.
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Maybe the morbid bitch was the English prof who force-fed ED to us when she was supposed to be teaching composition. The Dickinson she exposed us to was the Dickinson of Because I could not stop for Death and the like.
I thought it was less than weeks later but wasn’t sure without Googling.
Listener infers, speaker implies as do writers. Read the article. It was only one quote out of a much longer essay, and worth reading.
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I never had the opportunity to sit in a college American lit class or in a composition class for that matter, but I suspect I would’ve enjoyed it.
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Yeah, Packwood was hands on.
He resigned from the United States Senate, under threat of expulsion, in 1995 after allegations of sexual harassment, abuse and assault of women emerged.
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Just to say that maybe the right leverage is Ivanka in an orange jumpsuit or else.
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I was just thinking that might get the Republicans attention for an impeachable offense, since treason just isn’t enough and they’ve set that precedence already.
Assuming Democrats are given proof beyond a doubt in the form of Mueller’s report, any Democrat who tries to make a “political” argument that the House should not impeach because the Senate won’t convict, will lose their next election. The end.
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I’m not a lawyer, so I could be speaking out my ass. Maybe you are and know better than me. But I don’t believe a prosecutor is going to touch resignation with a 10’ stick. They will charge him now, delay charging him until after he leaves office or not charge him at all. They may offer him a plea deal if he pleads guilty. But I don’t believe they will require resignation.
Honestly, I don’t think they can trade resignation from your job as part of a plea deal. I don’t think that is within their authority. If you are a banker, or an executive in a publicly traded company, then their are certain legal authorities which can require that an employee be terminated. such as the Federal Reserve or SEC.
Which lead to a turn around of support for Senate Republicans. The kavanaugh hearings may have cost Dem’s Indiana and Missouri Senate races. If you are pursuing impeachment, with the certain knowledge that the effort will fail to remove Trump, it is a political action. Does dividing the country more and hardening each sides positions actually improve Dem’s election prospects throughout the country. Or will Mueller’s report alone be damning to Trump among Independents without driving turnout for Republican senate candidates in 2020.
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A makeup company called Pantone has decided on our behalf that this is the color of the year, it’s called Living Coral. I think it could work for a jumpsuit.
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