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I donât know why progressives are opposing this at this stage. If Obama is behind it, itâll never get through the Republican Senate.
On the other hand, if the Republicans come out in favor of it, then weâll know itâs a bad deal for Americans.
In the meantime, most commentary is speculative:
On the third hand, The Republicans seem anxious to fast-track it so there may be genuine cause for concern.
For further analysis and a link to a leaked chapter of TPP see
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Ed: âBUT NAFTA ARGLE BARGLE NAFTA CHINA DERP BLOOP NAFTA IAEEIIGGHHHH!â
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Ed Schultz is trying soooooooo hard to be the Bill OâReilly of the left.
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i wish he wasnât such a insufferable blowhard, because heâs the only one on that increasingly irrelevant channel who actually covers labor issues, and has actual union (gasp!) representatives as guests.
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The trade deals have become the Ben Ghazi of the left.
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Lovinâ every minute of this seeing Sen Warren, who pushed back again yesterday afternoon and now Ed Shultz, givinâ it back also. And then thereâs the WWHD and Whereâs Hillary? The WH and Obama have fucked this up royally - and are continuing to do so. Letâs see what he has to say today. Iâm bettinâ on ânational security issueâ.
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Ed Schultz has no rime or reason to mimic a serial liar, what you see with Ed is passion for the American worker coupled with real facts, unlike Mr. OâReilly.
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How could Ed possibly have âthe factsâ on a Top Secret agreement? Hmmm⌠Perhaps Elizabeth Warren misspoke when she called it a secret trade deal?
I like Ed but he has a tendency to overreact. I remember his initial reaction to Keystone and how he was in favor because of the jobs it would create. He was emphatic that the President was âwrongâ to oppose it. But to his credit, he did actually bring on guests who challenged him and he changed his mind and now opposes Keystone.
My gauge on this will be Nancy Pelosi. If she is on board, I generally feel it will be a good deal.
But I am certainly not against the President having the authority to fast-track the deal. That simply allows for an up or down vote.
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You go Ed if youâre wrong, just like Keystone you will admit youâre wrong. In the mean time if you think youâre right ââkeep keepin on broââ.
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It wasnât that long ago that Ed was shilling for the Keystone XL pipeline on behalf of labor and jobs. That turned out to be pure BS but he bought it big time. Screeching and moaning like a Limbaugh is no way to get a good point across. For me, heâs become absolutely unwatchable.
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As far as Progressives are concerned there is no such thing as a good trade deal. Now either Obama can do this deal or the next President can. Now since there are no guarantees I think would rather have Obama doing it than a Republican.
And as to the claim it some secret deal there have been over 1700 briefing to Congress on TPP. That is not what I would call secret.
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Hey, Ed. Why donât you give Chris Matthews a call? He was already was in a discussion with Obama about this.
What I heard is that Senators (and presumably Congress) can read the deal to date in a secure room. Once the terms are settled, the public will be able to actually see it.
Who are you getting your facts from anyway, Peter Schweizer?
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Dead on right.
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Youâre right on the money: Republicans are nearly unanimous in favor so far in the Senate, which by definition means itâs bad for people who work for a living and for the environment.
Hereâs why progressives are so distraught, from MSNBC,com. Itâs being hailed as a âbipartisan effort.â
The vote breakdown on Finance Committee (20-6) was illustrative of how polarizing the TPP is among Democrats and attractive it is for business-friendly Republicans:
DEMOCRATS:
y - Ron Wyden (D-OR)
n - Charles Schumer (D-NY)
n - Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
y - Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
y - Bill Nelson (D-FL)
n - Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
y - Thomas Carper (D-DE)
y - Ben Cardin (D-MD)
n - Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
y - Michael Bennet (D-CO)
n - Robert Casey (D-PA)
y - Mark Warner (D-VA)
REPUBLICANS:
y - Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
y - Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
y - Mike Crapo (R-ID)
y - Pat Roberts (R-KS)
y - Mike Enzi (R-WY)
y - John Cornyn (R-TX)
y - John Thune (R-SD)
n - Richard Burr (R-NC)
y - Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
y - Rob Portman (R-OH)
y - Pat Toomey (R-PA)
y - Dan Coats (R-IN)
y - Dean Heller (R-NV)
y - Tim Scott (R-SC)
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Unlike most, perhaps he learned from his mistakes.
Many âliberalsâ donât like Edâs old-fashioned style, but I think he deserves a lot of credit. He is just about the only talking head on TV that speaks up for the needs and rights of working people. In the good-old-days this was the heart and soul of what it means to be liberal or progressive. Working class white people have abandoned the Democratic Party in droves, because it has become so urbanized, smug, and âsophisticated.â We insult them so much they turn around and vote against their own self-interest. Elizabeth Warren is an old-fashioned liberal. So are Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown. So am I.
MSNBC has become too much a cheer-leading club for Obama. I admire Ed for speaking truth to power, even when that power is the leader of his own party.
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Once the terms are settled and any amendments are made impossible by law, you mean? Or after itâs been implemented? Wow, how transparent of the administration! Were we fat cat CEOs, weâd not only be reading it, weâd be writing it.
Interestingly, as some have pointed out, the restrictions on access to the substance of the TPP by our elected representatives are more stringent than for classified military materials.
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We actually know a lot. Here are the leaked documents:
Is it me, or is this eerily similar to that West Wing trade episode where Josh has to tell the union workers that the Bartlet administration had basically screwed them over.