Discussion for article #245042
I have to say that Federal land belongs to everyone… not just a bunch of self-entitled welfare queens…
that gives me and everyone else the right to have a say in how the land is used and I really object to a bunch of cows running roughshod over the land…
the idea that these morons have some justifiable complaint or argument that would allow them to decide which authority they respond to or that they can demand criminals released from prison is ludicrous…
time to move their asses either to jail or the morgue…
oh yeah… time to move Pappy Cliven too…
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NO negotiating with terrorists. These Welfare Cowboys have seized public land, terrorized a community and have threatened anyone who opposes them.
Over the weekend, the Oregonian reported that a local sheriff from Grant County, Oregon, said it might be time for the federal authorities to give the militiamen what they want. Sheriff Glenn Palmer said if the feds released Dwight and Steven Hammond, the father and son pair who are currently serving prison sentences for setting fires on federal lands, it “would be a start.”
Total capitulation to these redneck Winded Warriors? Hold the public hostage in the name of some perverse reading of the Constitution that has NEVER been upheld? NO NO NO! That would only encourage more and more examples of such behavior by these gun-humping ammosexuals across the land.
Bundy logic: “What’s mine is mine; what’s yours is negotiable!”
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Jesus. Just fucking shoot them already.
Hell, just shoot one of them. They got that tower in Malheur with a sniper in it–drone strike the tower with the guy in it. They see one of their friends blown to bits, it won’t seem like a cool Civil War Summer Camp Re-Enactment anymore.
Everyone worried about “making them martyrs.” I don’t recall the fuckin pigs worrying about making Tamir Rice a martyr.
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If he wants to let the convicted arsonists out of jail and send the FBI home and leave the armed militia still controlling property they took over by breaking the laws, well, I question whether Sheriff Glenn Palmer really understands this whole “law enforcement” job he was elected to do.
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Palmer also told the Oregonian that maybe the FBI – the law
enforcement group organizing the standoff negotiations – should go away.
“Sending the FBI home would be a start,” he told the Oregonian. “I
just pray to God that cooler heads prevail and that no one gets killed.”
THIS is pretty much what I was afraid of. The main reason why the Feds aren’t sweeping these vermin out is, at least, partly due to some Oregon LEO’s thinking the Feds are making the situation worse. Let’s face it, the Gov. could take action but she probably doesn’t have the majority support of her police and would prefer to put it on the Feds if something goes very wrong.
EDIT TO ADD:
Under his, ummm, unique interpretation of federal power, Bundy believes
the sheriff is the one who must give direction to the FBI in such a
negotiation.
Well, it sounds like Malheur County Sheriff Brian Wolfe wants this over with. But, since Bundy keeps moving the goalposts, he’d probably say he wants a majority of sheriffs to give direction of the Feds.
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The dream of Cliven Bundy was based on the 90’s “Almost Heaven” compound out there in Idaho - at large they felt they really could have created the nut ball housing plan in Nevada. Cliven looked to Randy Weaver and thought he failed to monetize and capitalize on that. If Bundy can throw a big enough tantrum he makes the news then people will want to buy up the homes around his ranch base. They will then elect him King of the nuts and will worship at his feet
The ding bat kids grew up with this as a method and they are trying to put a Duck Dynasty/Kardasian reality tv spin on the whole thing. It’s all one big stunt and problem is they missed the boat yet again. The feds can’t even be bothered to show up in person to deal with the meticulous groomed “make sure that camera gets my good side tough guys”.
Dudes, it’s not even a question whether you’re a laughing stock it’s only a question how many years from now people will still be laughing at you
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He shares the delusional beliefs of the seditious twits. Here is the Oregonian article.
I think Kate Brown should have the state police follow them to their meeting in John Day and stop them if they go 2 miles over the speed limit, or fail to signal, or whatever. Then run background checks on all of them, while making them wait. If there is the slightest reason to arrest them, do it. Bad enough they came from those crazy red states to damage the refuge; damned if they are going to take over my state. This may be the final straw.
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Over the weekend, the Oregonian reported that a local sheriff from Grant County, Oregon, said it might be time for the federal authorities to give the militiamen what they want. Sheriff Glenn Palmer said if the feds released Dwight and Steven Hammond, the father and son pair who are currently serving prison sentences for setting fires on federal lands, it “would be a start.”
The FBI should be very careful what plans they share with Sheriff Glenn Palmer – he may be a sheriff, but he’s not on the side of the law.
Or maybe it would be fun to “leak” to Sheriff Palmer that “tonight’s the night”; then whatch the terrorists in the bird sanctuary panic; and then tell the news media how the only reason they would have panicked at the refuge would be if Palmer told them something that was to be held in confidence.
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Under [Bundy’s], ummm, unique interpretation of federal power, Bundy believes the sheriff is the one who must give direction to the FBI in such a negotiation.
Typo alert.
I mean, I could be wrong, and often am, but I’m pretty sure the correct spelling of “deranged, wildly divergent, batshit insane, and utterly wrong” is not unique.
(I wish it were unique, but apparently Bundy has several terror cells worth of supporters who agree with him.)
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It’s amazing that the world’s most bored looking reporters seem to outnumber the world’s most pampered squatters by like 6 to 1 in the photos I’ve seen. Yet somehow TPM seems to be the leader in news coverage of the Infantada.
Makes we wonder if the reporters aren’t undercover agents, trolling put the size and extent of the right wing terror network. Which seems to be proving itself remarkably small and narrowly distributed.
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It’s time gutless BOH, and his inadequate AG, and his useless FBI Director, instruct the FBI on site to give these assholes one hour to surrender for arrest or face being forcibly arrested or killed.
I don’t know which are the bigger assholes BHO and his gang or Bundy and his group of idiots.
MSM go home, idiots will soon follow…
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What it will take to get them off the wildlife refuge is to meet ALL their demands. Then when those demands are met they will come up with new demands.
This has gone on far too long. It’s time for the feds to stop coddling them and take action even if it means another Ruby Ridge. I doubt it would come to that because these people may be all hat and no cattle so to speak. Maybe if the feds at least threatened to move in with overwhelming force they’d finally come out with their hands up. Then again the outlaws could put out an alert to all like minded deranged people to help save them. You just don’t know until you have these guys surrounded with tanks, helicopters or whatever else and see how they will react. At least try to call their bluff.
First off. Go arrest Cliven for theft for not paying his grazing fees and put a lien on his 12,000 acres and cattle. That would really stir up these nut jobs. Letting Cliven off the hook jjust encouraged the actions we see today.
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Whatever the feds may do, it has to be done, completed before like-minded people can get their pants on.
Sheriff Palmer is a right-wing extremist himself, as are many of Oregon’s sheriffs. They belong to a group called the “Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association”, and subscribe to the false claims that County Sheriffs are the highest law authority of the land. Bundy’s interpretation of our government is also not “unique”, although it is false – it was first formulated in the 60s by a white supremacist group called Posse Comitatus, using outdated English Common Law. These people also subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories about the government, and they claim to have the right to form their own juries to “try” and “condemn” our real members of government and law enforcement, even “sentencing” them to death and then “executing” them – i.e. murdering them. The murder last year of two Las Vegas police officers by a couple who were at the Bundy Ranch insurrection are just one example of this evil, which is far more widespread and dangerous than most Americans realize.