How about if the bill passes we collect money to put up monuments in every state to those who voted for the bill?
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Excellent idea.
You are surely aware that the party came to be dominated by pro corporate, pro Wall St types who were called âNew Democratsâ and that those âNew Democratsâ voted with the GOP on the most damaging policies of our lifetimes. This is what Iâm referring toâŚ
I am waiting and hoping the Medicaid Directors will call Graham and Cassidy( and the other white boys pictured with them ) dotards. What a great word !
Yes, Iâm aware of the Democratic Leadership Council that became associated with the Clinton administration brand of moderation.
Those folks are mostly gone, however, as is the DLC. Under the previous administration we regulated the banks and the healthcare industry, raised taxes on the wealthy, enacted regulations to protect the environment and the interests of workers and retirees.
And we did it with a messy, noisome coalition that ranged from Bart Stupak and Ben Nelson to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
Moderate Democrats arenât the problem.
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This is why we disagree. Could you explain to me why Kamala Harris didnât seek to prosecute Steve Mnuchin when she was CA DA for illegally foreclosing on as many as 80,000 homes? Was it the donation she got from Mnuchin?
I ask because sheâs starting to look like a strong candidate for 2020, and I need this answered before I could support her.
Yes, but if the republicans wonât be honest about the reason why they want to demolish Medicaid then the Democrats should. The Democrats should be parroting over and over and over, literally saturating the media and airwaves (on radio, interviews, editorials) with one simple bumper sticker message: The republicans want to destroy Medicaid in order to fund a tax cut for the wealthy. Next theyâll come for Medicare, and they will.
I donât know enough about the Kamala Harris item you mentioned to speak on it.
I do see a number of people eager to criticize her for this. It could be more involved than you think, and I am unwilling to create a litmus test out of something Iâm less than very familiar with. I know similar accusations were levelled against Senator Cory Booker â that heâs too close to bankers.
I am more concerned about the willingness of people to base their political opinions on optics, appeals to grievances and slogans such as âhippie punching.â Jimmy Carter, Mike Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton all lost partly because a certain number of people were dissatisfied with candidates who, although they were competent, held good principles, and had an ability to rally a large number of people to effectuate positive and lasting change, were not blessed with an abundance of the charisma gene and also fell victim to âgotchaâ attacks from certain quarters.
Just like you are doing with Kamala Harris, and just like Senator Sanders is doing with his quixotic single payer campaign. At a time when the Democrats are holding the line in complete opposition to ACA repeal, here comes Bernie with his latest litmus test which can only split Democrats. And just as I predicted, the Republicans are already proclaiming Bernieâs latest single-payer mission as evidence that the ACA is dead.
Again, I get you are mad, but too many demagoges have used our anger to undermine Democrats. In 2010, we went from 130 million votes to 89 million, which might have cost us the House. And I canât help wondering if the efforts of Jane Hamscher and Ed Schultz and Adam Green and other might have had something to do with that suppressed turnout â Jane with her âKill the Billâ mantra and Ed with his âdonât vote in 2010 and send the Democrats a message.â
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He knows more than the Orange Menace!
Mid term elections never get the same turnout as Presidential elections. Itâs got nothing to do with what youâre talking about I donât believe.
Frankly we need a litmus test. Cory Booker is a non starter for me. For me there are no questions about Booker, he is everything that I despise about the party. I donât want to vote for someone Iâm almost sure is going to sell me out but doing it because he/she is the lesser of 2 evils.
We donât have time to fuck around with the same ole, same ole. This country is almost finished. Imagine the Fall of Rome with 10 times the population, with an incredible amount of weaponry out there, with zero national unity. What is coming is beyond the understanding of most of the people on this board.
Mark my words, when teh economy collapses you will be shocked at how quickly this all unravels, and how ugly it will be. We wonât survive it.
Bring up âlesser of two evilsâ and we are done with this conversation.
There will never be anyone pure enough to meet your standards, or hysterical enough to align with your sense of urgency.
And thatâs the problem with people like you, darcy, georgeg and a few other regular commenters here. Itâs not your principles; I think we all agree on those for the most part. Itâs your tactics. You attack any sign of acccommodation or moderation, even those necessary to capture the broad public. You want it all, and you want it now. And you are so willing to jump on a bandwagon of outrage that you alienate the broad constituency that are your natural allies.
Just as we should not normalize the insanity of Trump, we should not normalize this tendency to smear moderate and left-of-center Democrats for some violation of assumed purity.
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Taking money from Wall St and Corporate swells to do their bidding isnât a minor derogation of principle. Iâm tired of âDemocratsâ who accommodate Wall StâŚtheyâve gotten plenty of accommodation, including from, but not limited to, the last Democratic administration.
I wonât vote for a moderate Democrat. Yes another Republican will destroy the country, but thatâs coming anyway with the current status quo, of which the current moderate Democratic party is part and parcel.
I wonât vote for collapse on the installment plan.
McCain is a ânoâ. Itâs dead, Jim.
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Bring a couple bread bags and put them on your feet when she starts shoveling it. It would help if over half there would do the same. Iâm sure she would get the meaning. You would not have to say anything. Iâm sure the local press would be amused.
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You know, when I was a kid, I used to wear bread bags over my feet when i walked to school in the winter. But we wore them UNDER our shoes, to keep our feet from getting wet. I never saw anyone wear them OVER their shoes, that would be stupid, youâd just fall down from the slippery plastic against ice.
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Very familiar story to me here in South Carolina. My mom lasted about 8 years with pension and savings from a nursing career _ Medicaid got us through the last year _ we sold her house and paid back the state - she basically broken even after working to 65 and living to 90. Will the voters accept a dismantling of Medicaid? What are the lower income elderly going to do? There will be a lot of medication âaccidentsâ - ie, suicides.
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Doubt that heâs a Democrat.
But put your money on him for being a whiny horseâs ass.
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âWe were raised to live simply, not to waste. It was a lesson my mother taught me every rainy morning,â Ernst said. âYou see, growing up, I had only one good pair of shoes. So on rainy school days, my mom would slip plastic bread bags over them to keep them dry. But I was never embarrassed, because the school bus would be filled with rows and rows of young Iowans with bread bags slipped over their feet. Our parents may not have had much, but they worked hard for what they did have.â - Joni Ernst
She also told a version where they slipped on bread bags before going out to the barn for chores. I was raised on a farm, we always used rubbers or rubber boots which could be hosed off.
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I live in a state that created its own exchange. The ACA was passed into law in March 2010. My stateâs exchange website went live in December 2013. I know several states got their exchanges running quicker, but thereâs one example for you that took 42 months.
The scope of what Graham-Cassidy changes seems even broader than what was involved with state-level exchanges. So yes, 2 years sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Your âanywayâ and âlesser of two evilsâ gives you away as someone who, wittingly or unwittingly, helps the Republicans defeat Democrats.
Your smug, self-satisfied and morally superior attitude of resentment, outrage and grievance has never gotten a liberal elected, has never helped pass a piece of helpful legislation, and has never prevented the reactionaries from advancing their agenda.
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