Discussion: McConnell: Limited Bill Needed If GOP Senate Obamacare Repeal Bill Dies

I think the personal and the party calculations are in perfect alignment. This bill is as bad for both individual senators as it is the party. The House has already royally fucked itself by going on record voting for the thing, but the Senate can still save itself by walking away from it. They can blame Democrats, blame PP, blame whomever. At the end of the day, the only people who are going to be truly upset about it is their base, and where else can they go? In fact, Republicans are pretty fortunate that they have a base who, despite being routinely shived in the kidneys by their electeds, will still slavishly turn out to vote for them. So, the question for most of them is: Do you stand a better chance staving off a poorly funded primary opponent with an electorate whose angry you didn’t vote on something, or a well-funded general election opponent with an electorate out for blood because of what you actually did? And the president has to be included in that calculation as well. Does anyone actually believe he’ll be more popular in a year?

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I think a better strategy is to carve out a handful of easily understood fixes to O’care that include a public option. Medicare for all, single payer, is just too damn easy demonize, a lot of folks don’t understand it, and it leaves too much room for error. A public option is easy to understand, it’s a group plan like the ones at big companies that allows you and folks all over the country to buy into a plan at a much cheaper cost, and it’s much harder to demonize.

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inducements to keep healthy people buying policies — a step that helps curb premiums.

Yes, we’re going to get rid of that horrid, awful, no-freedom mandate, and replace it with ā€œinducements to keep healthy people buying policies.ā€

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The only fix a public option would need over time is to adjust how its premiums are funded.

I’d suggest it be part of our taxes we all pay, put into a pool to find the public option.

Its not ā€œsingle payerā€ if we all contribute.

If Republicans simply reversed all of the silly shit they pulled on the ACA, as a bill, the ACA would be 90% fixed. Return risk corridors, implement the Medicaid program nationwide, assure supplemental payments and then fool around with new delivery systems based on science. It could look like dumping the ACA and actually implement the Heritage plan from the first iteration. I bet it would work.

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I am so disgusted by the state of the country I can’t even think straight some days, why not just work with Dems now and fix things or is that too much like the right thing to do? He’s basically admitted ā€œObamacareā€ can be fixed.
Sensible people at that luncheon ( I know, I know) should have been offended by the nonsensical comments.

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We keep calling this a debate about insurance.

It’s got nothing to do with insurance. That’s the GOP’s frame. Insurance is a bet you make on long odds. I bet you I’ll die, life insurance. Bet my place gets tossed. Renters insurance. Etc.

Health care is not the same thing as insurance. Health care is a certainty. The ā€œpoliciesā€ that have won on the exchanges are ā€œmanaged careā€ plans, not ā€œinsuranceā€: as such.

And that’s what people need. Preventive care. Chronic care. Acute care. Care.

Medicare offers care. Medicaid offers care. VA care is care. Insurance is something you might need. But everyone needs care. Everyone needs checkups, regular tests. Everyone needs help if they get into drugs, illegal or legal. Everyone needs help when their lifestyle, or just time, creates a chronic condition like diabetes.

Stop letting Republicans dictate the frame of this debate. It’s not about insurance. It’s about care.

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Now you pull him into a negotiation that goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on until he simply gives up.

GOP: Can’t we just stomp on, pee on and set on fire Obamacare and leave replacement for some one else who gives a shit?
Wiping out Obama’s legacy is the most important thing to the GOP. Healthcare is hard work. They’d rather not do it.

Single-payer.

Like Trump promised.

Good Lord, first Trump asks China to rid him of N Korea, now McConnell is whining that he will now have to ask…gasp…the Democrat Party to save Obamacare like he is Scarlett O’Hara

What’s the difference between Mitch McConnell and Dominos pizza?

Dominos pizza delivers

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Anything that makes McConnell uncomfortable is a win

Both bills approval rating is at 17% or lower so that means a lot of trumpistas do not like the idea of losing their access to health insurance even if ā€œthose peopleā€ would lose theirs as well. Too much narco addiction amongst the trumpistas and they have been counting on having access to that methadone or whatever it is docs are using to wean addicts off narcotics nowadays.

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It tests better in the donation requests than Benghazi…

That’s not a political issue; that’s a branding issue. I think Fox and the Republican Party could pull off a con if they wanted to do so.

the end to the vid is appropriate to this thread.

In rural/small town America, you are judged very harshly, and sometimes for generations, for any addiction. It puts the whole family on ā€˜the wrong side of the tracks’ and not worth redemption.

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ā€œWe’ve got the insurance markets imploding all over the country, including in this state.ā€

These are the words of a forlorn legislator, feeling the pressure! I guess now at least no one should say ā€œhe didn’t really try, he lacks the guts!ā€ Gotta be part of his calculus!

Mitch turns 76 y.o.after the New Year, the spry lad!

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The crafty septugenarian already has shills lined up, so his capitulation can be fobbed off as someone else’s initiative: ā€œInteresting idea!ā€

I have always believed that the biggest problem the GOP faced regarding the ACA was how they would word the messaging to their supporters when they realized it had to remain in effect. It has to be very difficult to admit that the removal of all the restrictions they voted for would solve the problem.

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