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He[The President] shall have the Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Councils, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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So they’re going to go there.
Good–now it’s not just the White House up for grabs in 2016 but the Senate.
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Americans issued a stinging rebuke to this president and his policies in our latest national election, delivering a landslide
Isn’t that the one where he was elected to a second term? Weirdest “stinging rebuke” ever.
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So the Senate GOP are essentially saying to everyone who voted for them in 2010, 2012 or 2014 that their vote was wasted, and the Senate GOP refuses to do the job they were elected to do, refuses to fulfill its Constitutional obligations.
It’s weird how they can say that the American people’s voice matters in 2016, but those who voted in the previous three elections are having their voices muted.
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The “stinging rebuke” to Obama in the form of the midterm elections occurred with two years left in Obama’s term in office. McConnell says this rebuke represents the public’s right to push forward Presidential decisions to the next President. So now midterm election losses by the President’s party means a sitting President should not make any significant governing decisions for not one, but two years?
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I think he’s referring to the midterms. But traditionally, Presidential elections have much better turn out for Dems. Or, is he simply going to move the goalposts once again after Dem is elected POTUS?
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If it were a stinging rebuke, then it was an order for the Senate GOP to fulfill its Constitutional obligations, By refusing to even accept a nomination – forget hearings or a vote, just accept that a nomination was made – they are telling those voters that the Senate GOP will refuse their will.
You can’t have it both ways (well, these days you can, I guess.). You can’t say that the last election told the President one thing and the GOP the other. Do the job you were elected to, and in your case that means hold hearings, hold a vote, and get it over with.
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“Americans issued a stinging rebuke to this president and his policies in our latest national election, **delivering a landslide for the opposition party **as they handed control of the Senate to Republicans in 2014,” the two senators wrote in the op-ed.
This midterm election became the most expensive in history, with total spending reaching $3.7 billion (including spending by outside entities), while producing the lowest turnout since 1942
Blah,blah,Romney lost,blah,blah,blah,Reagan had three swings at the plate to get a justice in '87, blah, blah, blah, poll the caucus (for real), blah, blah, blah, f-- it, here’s that monkey
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yes
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They’re standing up for the Rush Limbaugh principle that Democrats are a cancer on our country and liberalism is a disease.
It’s really just that dumb and tribal.
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So I guess if they somehow manage to win the WH and the Dems win the Senate, they just handed our argument for not allowing any appointment of a replacement until 2020.
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And while they were just drunk as hell …they called upon the Democratic Party to refrain from putting forward a nominee for President.
You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But, with all due respect to Abe, you can fool enough of the people enough of the time to really fuck things up for a long time.
I wish I could be more certain that this kind of lying propaganda would be fruitless, but I’m becoming ever more circumspect and doubtful of my already cautious optimism.
I don’t like where this is going.
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Ah yes, the Great Mandate of 2014, the lowest turnout national election since 1942.
And I say once again, every single goddamn Democrat who couldn’t be bothered to vote in that election–at least in the ones with a Senate seat up for grabs–bears responsibility for this. Blame the snakes for being snakes all you want, we’re the ones who let them in, knowing what they were.
*Update–and that said, I was listening to the forum a bit and heard, for a chance, both Bernie and Hillary recognizing that, at least when it comes to immigration, they’re going to face a problem or two getting things past Congress. (It was especially refreshing coming from Bernie, though a bit disheartening that this is the one area where he’s willing to recognize it).
What I didn’t hear from either of them, and have haven’t heard from any presidential candidate since forever,r is “you have to give me a Congress that will work with me and you have to vote to keep it in in the midterms because I can’t get it all done in two years.” Yeah, no primary candidate wants to imply that there are limits to the power of the Presidential Green Lantern Ring when making promises, but FFS, Democrat voters aren’t learning civics in school, so someone has to teach it to them, ASAP.
In particular, this notion peculiar to many Democratic voters that their general election votes must be “earned” or they will be withheld, rather than a responsibility and an opportunity, has to be kicked into a lifeless pulp. They bitch and they bitch about the way things are without recognizing for a second that they made them this way by skipping midterms. Yeah, it’s a thing I am immoderately furious about.
Apologies to those who up-voted before I added the rant.
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These folks still have fax lines. It’s best to jam those up with the relevant Constitutional passage highlighted.
That logic is pretty stupid. It sounds good to the base, but the GOP actually won a ton in 2010. Obama still won the election in 2012 despite that wave. The American people voted Obama in to do what a president does. The people voted the Senate in to do their job. The later is failing.
Remember when 2010 was a referendum. Hard to say an off year election in States that heavily favor your party mean a whole lot.
Many of the states won in 2014 were also red states. The demographics were going to favor what happened. Particularly with low turn out. But even if turn out was equal the GOP probably would have won given the climate. The GOP base often votes pretty well because they are always mad.
Easier to lead against somebody than to argue or get excited supporting somebody. It happens for every president. Really, this upcoming election could give the presidency and the Senate back to the Dems. Not a huge majority but potentially one.
I think Obama has been much better at calling baloney on them in his second term. I haven’t been his biggest fan, at least through the first term, but I trust him to get them to eat a shit sandwich on this.
Might I interest you in some great vengeance and furious anger? I’ve got some extra…
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