Discussion for article #238559
… and who’s going to apologize to John Kerry?
And all the other purple heart winners?
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…and who’s going to apologize to Obama over that birth certificate nonsense?
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Gee, did McCain and the media say the same thing when similar offensive attacks were said about John Kerry and his war record (having earned the Purple Heart) by GOP-friendly groups in 2004? And why doesn’t any media question McCain on that GOP hypocrisy? Oh silly me, many in the media considered McCain their president (see “Gregory, David” for starters).
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The GOP base’s capacity to glorify all things military is only exceeded by their bigotry.
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And who’s going to apologize to the all the other Silver Star recipients?
To be fair, McCain did speak out against the Swift Boating, but everyone blew it off as the fuming of a man angry with Bush for the South Carolina smear and a close friend with Kerry’s to boot.
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Oh brother. So now Shouts at Clouds is the personification of all veterans such that an insult to him is an insult to every person who served. Was Joe licking McCain’s shoes during this himself or did he just have Mika do it?
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At the start…I am a vet…same war as John McCain. The remarks are not all that offensive if you consider the source. Trump, born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, never served his country or for that matter ever served anyone or anything other than himself. So comment’s like his are expected. He’s an asshole and asshole’s say things like that. Nuff said about Trump.
But a lot of folks are pointing out the difference in the way Trump’s comments are being received from those of the Bush team when John Kerry was the subject. It was the same shit. Bush, a rich kid with a connected father “did not serve”. It was the Leee Atwater thing…“attack them on their strengths” so they bad mouthed Kerry’s service in the foulest and most sustained campaign of such a thing in out history. And millions and millions joined in. " Support the troops" on the bumper and one of those fucking band aids on their chin. So it’s a bit tough for me to take this GOP’er response to Trump’s inanity as anything but face saving pearl clutching. I never thought anyone in the USA supported the troops ( and where are all those bumper stickers ) as much as they professed. They could have sent off a care package to a guy in Afghanistan or started a pan pal relationship with a kid in Iraq…that’s giving a shit. Hell I used to ask folks with those stickers if the gave to the USO…none knew what it was.
So fuck all that. When I stepped off a plane at Ft. Lewis “back in the world”…a Buck Sgt. met me at the bottom and said…"…Staff Sergeant…no one owes you a damn thing…" He was right…and that includes Trump. So say what you want…
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Trump does not owe him an apology
In other words, McCain’s available for a major Cabinet position…
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Not to mention a tad hypocritical.
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McCain is a hero, and he and all US Veterans deserve our gratitude and respect, but McCain is the only veteran who picked Sara Palin to be one heart beat away from the presidency. That is the first thing that Americans should consider when they think of John McCain.
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When asked by “Morning Joe” co-host Joe Scarborough about reports that Trump avoided the draft for the Vietnam War in 1968, McCain did not criticize the real estate mogul for not serving in the military
If McCain did that, Trump would have a list ready of all the republicans out there who also “avoided the draft.” If not that, he’d fire back with something equally uncomfortable that puts them in a bad light.
McCain doesn’t want to go there.
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They are not glorifying it. They are in your face manipulating it for their own purposes. And its that kind of practice that sends more kids off to fight and die in more wars. When we really “support the troops” we’ll stop sending them off to fight wars with ulterior purposes.
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“He may owe an apology to the families of those who have sacrificed in
conflict and those who have undergone the prison experience in serving their country,” McCain said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”
And, THIS, is why Trump is running roughshod over McCain with the GOP base. All they understand is anger, fear and viciousness. They will follow any truly sociopathic Alpha male who supposedly “tells it like it is.”
The fact that McC isn’t DEMANDING an apology from Trump shows that he and the RNC really is afraid of Trump’s hold over the evil GOP base. Said base only appreciates soldiers and even then, only certain soldiers that meet their criteria of “patriotic.” The base hates veterans because they’re no longer fulfilling their macho fever dream and have “needs.” This is the end of the line for McCain.
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McCain did speak out…in a fashion but his words were not from the heart. He buffered them with Republican needs and to me, a Silver Star guy, came across as un-serious and minimal.
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No one. Kerry’s service was insulted for GOP gain. Trump’s comments are hurting the GOP. The difference in response can be found in those differences.
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Let’s not lose sight of Trump’s success in getting the support of the racist base of the Republican party. I doubt that he can get more than 25% of the Republican vote in most states, but this is still a substantial group of voters.
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I don’t recall McCain ever encouraging the birthers. He was hardly in position to do so, since it was he that wasn’t born in the US.
But when is someone going to call Trump on his lies back in 2012? He claimed he had investigators in Hawai’i and they were finding “stuff you wouldn’t believe”. This from a guy who is “speaking his mind, not lying like other politicians”. That fiasco should be mentioned every time the name Trump is mentioned.
Ahh Monday. Your early week heaping piles “who is the most offended by something someone said” articles.
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http://www.amazon.com/New-American-Militarism-Americans-Seduced/dp/0199931763/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
ETA:
In The New American Militarism, Bacevich examines the origins and implications of this misguided enterprise. He shows how American militarism emerged as a reaction to the Vietnam War, when various groups in American society -soldiers, politicians on the make, intellectuals, strategists, Christian evangelicals, even purveyors of pop culture-came to see the revival of military power and the celebration of military values as the antidote to all the ills besetting the country as a consequence of Vietnam and the 1960s. The upshot, acutely evident in the aftermath of 9/11, has been a revival of vast ambitions, this time coupled with a pronounced affinity for the sword. Bacevich urges Americans to restore a sense of realism and a sense of proportion to U.S. policy. He proposes, in short, to bring American purposes and American methods-especially with regard to the role of the military-back into harmony with the nation’s founding ideals.
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