Discussion: McCain: Cliven Bundy Needs To Make An Apology

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He needs to apologize for stealing from Americans as much as for being a racist POS.

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Apologize… oh, that works… if you step on someone’s putting line on a golf green. McCain shows how out of touch he is with this issue — there is no fixing men like Bundy; the idea is to stop enabling them… and exploiting them for all the borderline Bundies in the GOP.

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Rachel Maddow’s piece here is worth watching.


Radical racist context missed in rancher hype

As Maddow points out, perhaps the GOP and Fox “News” should have been paying more attention to this man’s radical views from the beginning. She asks the overriding question – Were they just ignorant and not listening? She hopes it was ignorance and not something much darker.

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Okay, let’s examine Grampy’s latest babblings:

"Apparently he made statements that are racist, and if I were him -- I can't advise anybody what to do, but if those were accurate quotes, then he needs to have an apology,"

Such a WEALTH of McCainisms. “Apparently” Bundy made racist statements? Soooooooo you’re telling someone to apologize for shit you know nothing about? Oh, and “he needs to have an apology”? The grammar police may smack me around, but I believe you just said someone needs to apologize to Bundy – which, by the way, is what Bundy essentially said on Alex Jones’ show yesterday morning.

Nice job, Grampy. Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!

Oh, yeah, one more thing…

You did get one thing right, Grampy: After gifting the nation with Honey Cari-Boo Boo, you can’t advise anybody what to do… about anything!

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They were listening. They weren’t ignorant. They were only hoping Bundy wouldn’t open his mouth too much – which is exactly what he did.

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To be fair to Grampy, there is a major reason he’s being so “softly, softly” about this: He knows for a fact that there is a shitload of AZ voters just like Bundy – white, old, male, and (in many cases) Mormon. And as long as McCain thinks he can win re-election in '16, he can’t piss them off any more than he already has.

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Well, you know, the question is worth asking. Because the entire rightwing media complex and the national GOP and everyone in it have embraced a guy that is espousing the views of the Posse Comitatus, much like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols and violent radical racists before them.

And I do mean EMBRACED – celebrated, promoted, lionized, proclaimed a hero.

Again, did they know what they were doing?

(OFF TOPIC: I miss your old avatar.)

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Here’s something more annoying than race to his remarks: he decries government assistance. Bundy has a problem with folks taking money legally given by the government, but thinks he can just steal from the government himself.

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Why does he need to apologize? He told the ugly truth - of how ugly he is. This is America, even if he doesn’t see himself as an American. He has a right to expose his ugliness to us, and we have a right to judge him on it. Should we expect him to lie about his ugly beliefs?

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Bundy doesn’t need to apologize. He needs to disappear from the media’s radar screen. He’s just another Joe the Plumber / Duckcall Dynasty cartoon character that the right wing hyped as some sort of backwoods philosopher-hero who turned out to be ignorant and an embarrassment still living in the 1950s. We all need to forget him. He’s toast. It’s over.

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The only people I care to hear an apology from are the ones who lionized Bundy for weeks and disparaged any who suggested that the man was anything other than a deadbeat and a criminal. Not that we’ll ever hear such, because those responsible for fanning the flames of this boondoggle will see nothing wrong in their actions, but settle for condemnation of his remarks simply to avoid the blowback of them. Nothing’s worse than an enabler and we’ve had a whole slew of them that deserve to wear this albatross for the rest of their days.

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He already apologized! He said he’s sorry the Jew media tried to take his racist remarks and turn them against him. What more do you want?

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Mr McCain, an apology is not appropriate in all situations. An apology works if you have a slip of the lips or if you committed a faux pas that goes against what you claim to stand for. An apology should not be treated as ‘magic words’ that can heal all your self inflicted injuries. An apology can be used to correct the public record but… In this case it would seem that the public record for Mr Bundy is pretty much spot on. There is nothing here that needs to be corrected. This man’s outrageous, racist opinions are as much a part of him as his skinny tie and pointy boots. This bell is not going to be un-rung by something as simple as an apology. Republicans would be best served by leaving this guy behind and looking for another hero.

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Unless this is very poorly conceived snark, I’d tread very carefully. Anti-semitism, or any other hate speech, will not be tolerated. This will be your only warning.

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Are you really telling me that you can’t recognize that as satire? We’re talking about a man who has spewed the most vile, racist garbage. How are you supposed to respond to that? With milquetoast comments?

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What on earth would be the point of him “apologizing”? This is what he actually thinks. This is what he has convinced himself is the truth. An apology without actual, shall we say, repentance and a remedy for his ignorance would be of value to exactly no one.

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McCain: “… I can’t advise anybody what to do, but if those were accurate quotes, then he needs to have an apology,”

  1. You just did advise him what to do, you clown, and in the same sentence no less.
  2. Bundy is a pinhead racist and he expressed his opinion. He’s allowed to have one. We’re allowed to shake our heads in disbelief.
  3. It is the right wing that needs to apologize. It is your tribe that pumped Bundy into an instant folk hero and is now raising money on that fool’s vomit. Own it.
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Well it seems it is these people who turn out to be the offenders themselves isn’t it?

I am sorry the government backed down. Watching the video of the congregation of these armed thugs makes me wish they were no longer around

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Apology not accepted!

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