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That was a really fine interview, and I’m glad I caught it on the way home from work. Substantive questions and assertive follow-up by Maddow, with honest, thoughtful answers from Clinton. Quite a jarring contrast between Clinton and the clowns on stage in SC. Clinton looks more and more presidential with each passing day.
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Bernie looks more professional and honest than Clinton. Bernie looks more presidential every day, more than Clinton who is a fried whore for the 1%.
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Clinton is right. The Sanders legislation would hand over to each State the decision about what would be covered and how to divide up the pie slice of the national health care budget that would be given to each state. It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to guess the kinds of medical care that Republican governors would exclude, and the decision by a Republican president to squeeze down on Sanders “national budget”, forcing people to either buy supplemental insurance to cover the shortfall or, jf they weren’t wealthy, to forego medical care entirely. The Sanders legislation is a train wreck. I don’t think he intended it to be so, but I do think he is guilty of not thinking through how his legislation would be administered under Republican presidents and governors. But, Hillary will have to sharpen her answers to get across these points, and it doesn’t look like she did that very well with Maddow.
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You’re right: She is right. But it’s a tough thing to explain in sound bites, and that’s hurting her right now.
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Wrong. Bernie wants our single - payer system to mimic the European single payer system in place since before 1969! Works fine for all of Europe. We are supposedly richer than European countries. If Clinton would compare the cost of military here and Europe, she would then shut up because support and cost of single payer would require only a fraction of the $trillions we spend on weapons of mass destruction and worldwide terrorism. We can easily afford single payer, with Medicare being modified to administer it - a no brainer. Go to Europe. See how much more friendly and secure every one is there, largely due to the security of their medical system, and their serious gun control, gun control like Australia has had for decades now, since a massacre of tourists occurred in the 1990s and the country then bought back most civilian owned weapons of mass destruction. Go ahead, get off your ass and go work / vacation / live in Europe and find out the truth about single -payer, don’t just talk nonsense and b.s…
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After last night, and barring something unforseen occurring, Donald Trump might very well be the Republican nominee. Hillary could smack him down with one hand tied behind her back. (And, no, Bernie couldn’t: Trump would eviscerate him without even mussing his hair.)
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He released policy details that outline exactly what he wants?
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You’re the wrong person to be giving others that advice.
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Bernie has not learned that the perfect is the enemy of the good. It took over 40 years to get this far in health care for everyone. If Bernie is against the ACA and has a better plan, then he needs to put the details on the table and we need to weigh the consequences of what this effort would to to undermine the political stability of the hard won ACA.
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Of course it would end all those healthcare programs. Why? Because if we had single payer we wouldn’t need them.
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Another question for Bernie Sanders. How will you convince a Republican controlled House of Representatives to agree to your health care proposals?
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“It would take all that and hand it over to the states.”
Extremely misleading, at best.
But congrats to Hillary on positioning herself as by far the most prominent, outspoken opponent of single payer universal health care in America. That’s…quite an accomplishment.
But I’m not sure why she’d want to draw so much attention to this stance right when she’s neck-and-neck in the polls and approaching the first caucuses and primaries for a party where over 80 percent of voters favor single payer. Why would she want to remind everyone that Bernie has been a leading proponent of a program that is highly popular among the very voters they’re both trying to attract?
Seems to me that the last thing she’d want to be reminding Democratic voters right now is that Bernie has a plan for moving to a rational, equitable, cost-effective way to provide universal coverage to all Americans, and she doesn’t.
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I might word it as “beholden to the 1%” or “a best friend to the1%”
no need for name calling…
I support Bernie, I will advocate for Bernie, I will point out HRCs drawbacks and why I don’t feel she is as strong politically or her policies are outdated for the current party. And I expect similar from HRC supporters, but staying civil seems to be in order.
watch what you say about the other candidate, that may be who you are voting for in November… Both sides need to internalize this. Don’t pole you ally in the eye.
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Agreed. Every time I hear Bernie give a speech I am reminded of the old Billy Joel song: Angry Young Man.
There’s a place in the world for the angry young man
With his working class ties and his radical plans
He refuses to bend, he refuses to crawl
and he’s always at home with his back to the wall.
He’s proud of the scars and the battles he’s lost
He struggles and bleeds as he hangs on the cross
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
Give a moment or two to the angry young man
With his foot in his mouth and his heart in his hand
He’s been stabbed in the back, he’s been misunderstood
It’s a comfort to know his intentions are good
He sits in a room with a lock on the door
with his maps and his medals laid out of the floor
And he likes to be known as the angry young man.
I believe I’ve passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage,
I’ve found that just surviving was a noble fight
I once believed in causes too, had my pointless point of view
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right.
And there’s always a place for the angry young man
With his fist in the air and his head in the sand
He’s never been able to learn from mistakes
He can’t understand why his heart always breaks
His honor is pure, and his courage as well
he’s fair and he’s true, and he’s boring as hell
And he’ll go to his grave as an angry old man.
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awesome.
You are wrong, my friend. In fact, there is no uniform European Single Payer model. The systems differ widely from country to country. If Bernie had drafted legislation in the past that merely expanded Medicare by eliminating the age minimums, including minimum mandatory coverage (like family planning and abortion coverage) and included a financing mechanism, he would have a more solid argument, I believe. But he didn’t do that, and now he wants to hide the ball on what he did propose. From my own perspective, I find the idea that any Democratic candidate for president would trash Obamacare, rather than arguing to expand it, absolutely mind boggling, because all it does is to reinforce the Republican argument that Obamacare was a failure, which is manifestly untrue. I also find it mystifying why anyone would think that the principal job of the next (democratic) president should be to even propose - let alone spend time on - such a project. There is so much else that needs to get done on jobs and the economy, and to be tough and take on the Republican Congress.
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“Why would she want to remind everyone that Bernie has been a leading proponent of a program that is highly popular among the very voters she’s struggling to hold on?”
He is getting attention over this now isn’t he? Could it all be a ruse? Let’s hope he presents the details the HRC campaign is clamoring for before the Iowa caucus vote - in two weeks. That would be a slick move.
No one is questioning the relative merits of single payer health care. Hillary Clinton is questioning the wisdom of having a 50-payer health care system in a country so polarized politically and ideologically as is the United States today. Sanders’ 2013 proposal is shitty. It is hard for me to understand anyone who doesn’t see the inherent flaws in that proposal. Especially since he proposed that state based system in 2013 after the Robert’s court had ruled against the Medicaid expansion in 2012. This is troubling because Sanders’ “Medicare for All” is, in fact, “Medicaid for All.” The safeguards in his 2013 bill which mandate the states to adopt a single payer system might very well be found unconstitutional by the Robert’s court if challenged. But as someone said above, Clinton’s disagreement with Sanders on this cannot be explained in a soundbite. And it is sad that so many people seem to care so little about actual policy details and particulars.
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The Sanders campaign has already stated that they will not be releasing details. Most likely because they don’t exist. But yeah, whatever…feel the Bern 'nstuff 'n all.
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