Discussion: 'Lucky One' In Oregon Shooting Provides Details Of Massacre

That’s the unhealthy mental and emotional attachment of ammosexuals to guns – anyone arguing you need more than 10 shots to a clip needs a response of, “Sounds like you’re a lousy shot, maybe you should spend more time at the shooting range.” In their heads they are all Wyatt Earp. In reality most are Barney Fife or Elmer Fudd. Anyone insisting they need more than 10 should not only have their skill questioned, but be met with helpful suggestions, “Stop moving in on rival drug turfs” or “Stop driving by the local biker gang clubhouse every day yelling rude things about their mothers.” They see a slippery slope in the most common-sense restrictions.
The Gillebrand shooting in Arizona is a real-life counterpoint to many of the NRAs straw-man arguments. The shooter stopped to replace an empty clip and a very quick-thinking grandmother knocked the fresh clip out of his hands, an equally quick-thinking guy was able to grab the gun at that point. Here comes the “good guy with a gun” part; a man in a nearby store who was carrying ran out toward the scene, gun drawn, came around the corner of a building and came within split seconds of shooting the real hero who had grabbed the gun from the shooter (after all, people had been shot and here was a guy with a gun in his hands).That’s 3 quick thinkers with an opportunity, none of which is likely in most mass shootings. They were on their feet in an open-air setting, not lying on the floor in a classroom.
More guns, more “good people armed” would only lead to chaos in almost all these shootings. A dark theater and shots ring out, two armed would-be heroes stand up and point guns toward the commotion. A third armed hero enters from the lobby, he doesn’t know who is victim and culprit, if the police show up in time they don’t know either. Same at a school. The likelihood is only more deaths and injuries.
Carson: “You don’t want to shoot me, you want to shoot HIM [pointing]…”. Right. Leading the charge. My experience with serious gun nuts is A) They are paranoid and see threats everywhere B) for that reason and others, they lack good judgement and situational awareness, and C) they have an inflated view of their own competence. It doesn’t help that many of them are racist.

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That’s just Dr. Ben’s style. If he’s being shot at, he rushes the shooter. If his Martini is too dry, he rushes the bartender. If he gets a bad haircut, he rushes the barber.

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I can see them now … all the patrons at Popeyes chasing after the man with the gun.

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Or if you are at a Popeyes and someone sticks a gun in your ribs just tell them to go to the cashier.

Uh huh. After they didn’t do a thing to actually stop him from robbing the place when he was IN the store.

But that’s the story his campaign manager ended up with after being pressed on the it. And that’s a very limited press, because there are so few details that can actually be checked.

The part I loved, was when the press started asking the guy who wrote not just his first autobiography, or just his first two, but all three of his autobiographies, why there was no mention of this event in any of them? His answer was because Carson is such a humble guy, he doesn’t like to talk about himself.

Think about that. A guy so humble he has had three autobiographies written about himself. Because he doesn’t like to talk about himself.

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I happened to catch Carson’s comment about Normandy on CSPAN last night. I didn’t hear him conflating the invasion with his campaign.
What I heard was someone not-very-eloquently saying, “if these people could persevere through such horrendous circumstances in the interest of protecting our country, then we ought to be able to persevere in the face of petty campaign nonsense.”
Now, he didn’t say it quite like that and I think he really got bogged down in the details of the beach. I suggest he needs a better speechwriter.

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Yeah I have seen it too. And read it several times. He does get bogged down into the details on the beach(he seems to have an obsession of fixating on dead bodies), but the over arching message was “We (meaning his campaign) are like the soldiers taking the beach and winning in Normandy.” He is discussing it as a comparison to his campaign, otherwise it would never have come up. He wasn’t asked for his thoughts on D-Day, he was talking about his campaign.

You can hear in the vein you are suggesting I suppose. But even if you believe he is saying the petty issues facing a campaign are nothing compared to what the soldiers faced on D-Day…he is still making the comparison of his campaign to D-Day.

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The only certain way is to cap it at ZERO, but that’s never going to happen in this country.

Your conservative movement — supporting efforts to victimize Christians, because it means more campaign donations from the gun lobby.

I second TacoChuck: thanks for the caption. For mysterious reasons, Josh Marshall remains steadfast in his opposition to this nearly universal journalistic convention.

Jesus Ben Carson, even Carole King got it, back about 40 years ago. Her prophetic words: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQtwIwBmoVChMI986Yqta6yAIVAZYeCh3SHAAL&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D32G_bZU0VIA&usg=AFQjCNFhbXr73TdCXcA_HifLSQx5xRCnGw&bvm=bv.104819420,d.dmo