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“There’s cuts being made all over,” Taylor said. “What should be scary for the community is that the cuts being made in mental health around the state are allowing these people, who should not be walking around, to be out in the community.”
Another legacy of the Gipper!
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What we can learn from this and other shootings:
- Background checks only work if the system supporting the checks is working, which is often not the case as proved in the last two mass shootings, where mentally unstable and people with a record have legally acquired weapons in spite of the many existing laws. I say fix first the laws we have.
- Gun free zones kill people, many people, and that’s a fact. Contrary to many people believes, gunmen like Hauser do not just shoot randomly in the group of fleeing victims but pick them out methodically, as the Police has found out.
- Reduced capacity ammunition magazines do not change a thing in a mass shooting episode. Charleston church shooter had 8 magazines with a maximum capacity of 10 shots and used every single one, methodically reloading without anybody being able to stop him. Jumping a shooter while he reloads is just a very dangerous fantasy that only works in the mind of those who have seen too many Hollywood movies.
- Prohibiting entrance to gun free zones to concealed carry permit holders – who are people with zero mental, medical and criminal records; have submitted fingerprints; passed extended background checks; participated to a mandatory gun safety and gun laws course; proved their marksmanship and safe gun handling at a range under supervision – is proving a deadly and costly proposition. We need to change that attitude and allow people who chose to conceal carry to do so freely anywhere entrance isn’t restricted by a security checkpoint.
- People with known mental health issues keep killing us and all we hear is “more background checks”, “gun shows loopholes”. That I’m aware of, all the guns used in mass killings were purchased legally at places other than gun shows, and were purchased after passing NICS background checks. Don’t ask for more laws, fix existing laws first, fix the system that allows this to happen first.
Details quickly emerged about Houser’s mental problems, prompting authorities in Louisiana and Alabama to bemoan the underfunding of mental health services in America.
and this…
Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor said his office denied Houser’s request for a concealed weapons permit in 2006 because he had been treated for mental illness and arrested for arson in Georgia.
But he still managed to purchase a gun. Legally.
If the f’ing NRA would get outta the way I’m sure there are enough adults in congress to craft and pass legislation that both protects the rights of good people with their guns while making it much more difficult for people of questionable integrity to acquire them.
What? You say that they’ll find a way to get their hands on a gun regardless?
Sad but true.
So the only solution, and a solution that will take many many years to show the desired result is to ban all handguns and mandate draconian penalties for possessing one. Do the same for semi-automatic rifles. If a hunter is not a good enough shot to bring down that murderous deer with a bolt action rifle then she/he either needs to more practice or stop hunting.
If such laws had been enacted in say 1985 then we would not be reading about shit like this on an almost daily basis in 2015.
Should this happen then I want some means of knowing that there are people with concealed weapons on site. A flashing red light would do. Then I could comfortably take my family somewhere else. I’ve been in an environment where everyone was armed and I have no desire to re-live my Vietnam experience here at home.
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Beej beej beej…Guns free zones don’t kills peoplez. People with gunz kills peoplez.
Gun free zones = Free gunz zones in beejland.
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Another legacy of smaller government. Send the bill to Grover Norquist, Washington, D.C.
If you want more or better services, you are going to have to pay for them through taxes. Any politician in LA or AL going to argue for that?
Listening…
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While Congress goes ballistic over a senseless accidental killing in San Francisco, we all know it is too early to talk about a mass murder by an amurikan nut job.
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The NRA doesn’t control the background checks system, obviously broken, nor the funding for the mental health services. Let keep those in charge of the system accountable for their misgivings.
We all have a non alienable birthright to defend ourselves, families and properties. This right is not given to us by anyone, not by other people and not by a government, the means to achieve that very birthright shall not be restricted.
Look at the concealed carry numbers for your State, or any other State for that matter, and you will find out there will be virtually no place for you to go. We are many, 100s of 1,000s, we are peaceful and sitting next to you at the restaurant or in any other place we are legally right to be and we are no threat to you. But seriously, flashing red lights defeat the purpose of concealed carry, doesn’t it? You rather have everybody open carry? I think not.
Not in Oregon beej. There are hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of us who give our business to restaurants and other businesses who do not allow concealed or open carry on their premise, We are wiling to take our chances that a nut with a gun could open up on us. We feel safer without other armed citizens surrounding us.
It’s this crossfire thing beej.
Was your son in prison for something to do with firearms? If the likes of you has a concealed carry permit then it’s a certainty that our existing laws are ineffective.
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Once again, this is the computer age. A guy with his history should be prohibited from purchasing, and the pawn shop should not have been allowed to procure or sell it without proper documentation and checks. How hard is this?
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The killer sat at the back of the theater and shot the patrons from behind as they watched a movie. How does being armed protect you from a scenario like that?
Plenty of people had guns in that Twin Peaks parking lot in Waco last May, that left 9 people dead and 18 wounded. The police found over 150 firearms in the parking lot. Did everyone having guns stop the first shooter from pulling his gun? Everyone being armed escalated a minor accident in a parking lot into a full fledged shootout, and that’s a fact.
Why do you think that people not having guns are the problem? It seems to me that too many people having guns is the problem.
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“Non alienable”? Aliens don’t want our gunz.
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Bingo- nothing spells family friendly like “AR-15”.
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Gun free zones don’t kill people, you moron. You obviously missed the Wayne LaPierre School of Rhetoric during Indoctrination.
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I stopped at a yard sale in rural Vermont a few weeks ago and they had dozens of pistols and rifles laid out like they where tools or kitchen ware, a few assault riffles,ammo,scopes everything. I don’t know if it was legal or not but it sure creeped me out.
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beej/puddles has a different reason for carrying his bb gunz. beej has scammed many people into buying products that he then did not deliver.
I wonder why he doesn’t feel safe on the streets of anytown, NJ?
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Here’s a little research by the FBI: Active Shooter Events From 2000 to 2012
From the report: Of the cases that ended before the police arrived, 67 percent ( 34) ended with attackers stopping themselves via suicide (29 cases) or by leaving the scene (5 cases). In the other 33 percent (17) of the cases that ended before the police arrived, the potential victims at the scene stopped the shooter themselves. Most commonly they physically subdued the attacker ( 14 cases), but 3 cases involved people shooting at the perpetrator to end the attack.
It appears folks don’t need a brave conceal carry hero to protect them.
Edit: Replied to the wrong post. Sorry.
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This shall suffice:
Are you seriously comparing criminal bikers gangs rivals going after each other with a theater or school shootout?
Please explain that to this latest theater shootout or to the victims of Dylan Roof.
This individual has a lengthy and public history of violent anti-social rhetoric. He is an easily identifiable member of an extremist ideology that is rooted in racism, authoritarianism, some nihilism, and violence. Particularly gun violence. Coupled to this, he has a history of threatening, and violently retaliatory behavior.
He was a known quantity to a lot of people.
All of these elements add up to a profile of a person who has an unacceptable level risk becoming a very destructive person. It’s a cliche, but had this person been Muslim, we would be wondering why the Federal Government failed to identify him before he acted. It might even be likely that he had come under Federal scrutiny at some time in his life.
According to the New York Times, “The main terrorist threat in the United States is not from violent Muslim extremists, but from right-wing extremists.”
Two of these event this summer might be dismissed as a fluke, but if we don’t start acting before the third strike, we will be looking at many more in the time to come.
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