Discussion: Lavrov: Russia Seeks 'Post-West' World Order, Pragmatic U.S. Ties

Lavrov and Trump both want the end of NATO and the end of our alliances, which have helped keep us safe for over fifty years. Hey, but at least we’ll have tax cuts!

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New ‘world order’…scary

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“Responsible leaders should make a choice, I hope that the choice will be done in favor a creating a democratic and just world order,” Lavrov said, speaking through an interpreter. “If you want, you can call it a ‘post-West world order,’ when each country, based on its sovereignty within the rules of international law, will strive to find a balance between its own national interests and the national interests of partners.”

  1. A democratic and just world order, as conceived by the former head of the KGB who has now managed to remain in power for 17 years by murdering his political opponents and convicting them of fictional crimes in kangaroo courts.

  2. Can you imagine if the Russian Foreign Minister had uttered the words “Post-West World Order” during the Obama Administration??? The Drama Queen renting of garments and lamenting of our weak Muslim socialist President conceding the exalted superpower position our country has held since World War 2??? Yet here we are, a dictator who threw our election and corrupted the President and his entourage, patting us on the head and saying it will all be ok as long as we understand we must prepare for a post-Western world order, of democratic justice, as practiced by the post communist Kleptocrat in Chief.

3.“Within the rules” means within the rules that allow Russia to hack and throw a US election.

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Better yet a “Post-West” order. Signaling (their) intentions, much? As in: ‘Oh the West, that’s so … sigh Obama (and earlier) era.’

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Well, actually, no not you, but Trump’s Cabinet will have tax cuts, which is what matters, right?

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We won’t get tax cuts. Those will go to the .001%, who possibly like Trump himself don’t really pay taxes - that means they will get giant rebates! Yea Billionaires! What’s not to love in backing out of NATO and embracing a “Post-West” era.

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I would rather have seen pence tell russia to get your goddamn ships and subs off the coast of our country and the next time one of your fully armed fighters buzz one of our ships, it going to be shot down.
Then we will sit and talk.

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Only a narcissistic neophyte could allow himself to be played by Russia to undermine the strategic balance of power that NATO helps us maintain in Europe. Of all the disasters that will befall our country due to Trump’s incompetence, this would be the most egregious and consequential.

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Could this be another instance when both Pence and Mattis are left in the dark about Donald’s true position on Russia and US relations?

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Jebus - of course that’s what Russia wants. NATO keeps them in line and the EU also.

So yeah big surprise. A post=West world order just means a goddam Putin world order.

Fuck right the fuck off, Vladimir - fuck right the fuck off.

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maybe lavrov is available to be trump’s NSA, if that wouldn’t be too redundant.

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And to confirm their new Western territory’s status, Lavrov announced that Washington D.C. will henceforth be known as Bannongrad.

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This is the DUGIN DOCTRINE. He’s pretending it is “democratic” but he belies his own words with the emphasis on nationalism in the “post-West” world order. Dugin wants to see the US, the EU and China destroyed and broken up, so Russia can reign supreme over the little “nation states” that would result. The Dugin doctrine was praised by Steve Bannon openly in a 2014 speech, which is why Bannon is doing his best to destroy the “state” (the government) which he has also stated openly.

The idea behind it all: White Supremacy. Each new little ‘nation’ must be racially pure and uniform.

This Russian doctrine is way more scary than communism was.

Not only Trump’s cabinet but the members of Mar a Lago whom Trump invited to sit in on his interviews for top level posts…

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Wel, yeah, sure - but they’re paying for it, so it’s only Alt-Fair…

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I can’t help but like Lavrov, he is one of these really smart, strategic and sardonic liars who can hint at so many truths with one well placed lie. A consummate pro.

And then we have the US clown show, who bring anything but the sharpest knives to a gun fight.

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And those GOPers who support and defend Trump are all for the “post-West world order” idea.

Democrats should hit them hard for being anti-Constitution Putin’s pawns. You can’t be a Trump defender and a Russia hawk at the same time.

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"Responsible leaders should make a choice, I hope that the choice will be done in favor a creating a democratic and just world order," Lavrov said,

He then added, “And if they don’t make that choice, then we will make it for them via blackmail, fake news and hacking their elections.”

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FM Bay Leaf is definitely slick. Here’s my suggestion. To create a “Post-West” world order, move the capital to Novosibirsk.

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