Discussion: Kremlin-Tied Lawyer Offers New Account of Trump Tower Meeting With Don Jr

I think it has been clear for some time that the Trump version of this meeting was a complete fabrication.

However, I am thinking that Putin no longer gives a damn about Trump. Putin has accomplished disrupting our government and others for his own purposes. Continued mis-direction is one more factor in this process.

Getting rid of Trump is only part of the solution. After less than a year of Trump’s madness, we need to be thinking about how we recover internally and rethink our collective direction.

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When the alternative to trusting someone with connections to the Russian government is trusting DJT Jr, Jared or Manafort, that may change one’s view of the likely trustworthiness of the Russian.

I think Donnie Jr is dumber than Donnie Sr.

And that is saying a lot.

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So Putin has switched again, and now he is trying to sink Trump.

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And Mr. I Make The Best Deals is coming to Putin, presumably as a supplicant, asking him to make Big Bad Rocket Boy behave nice to Donald so Donald can go back to his people and say look at how wonderful I am.

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Donald only looks for this kind of dirt to deflect from his own guilt. So now we know, Trump is a tax evader.

On another topic, I’m intrigued by this hot little Russian number. She pops up at the darnedest times. Almost like a tease?

Could she possibly have starred in a secret video?

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It could also be Russia’s attempt to insert inconvenient “facts” into the discussion like Wanda testifying for against George in “A Fish Called Wanda”:

I looked at the clock...because I was saying to myself...It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?
I looked in the dossier...because I was saying to myself...how much money did the Trumps have sheltered in that Rosneft account?
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Uday: Ruh roh.
Qusay: Is that good?

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Not sure if I’d trust anything that the Russian lawyer claims.This seems to be a pot stirring moment. No coincidence that Trump and Putin are meeting soon. Trump will be overcome with exhaustion by the time the two have their get together. Any bets that Putin will offer help with NoKo if Trump lifts sanctions?

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For a real life examination of the phenomenon, I always go back to John Dean’s Conservatives without Conscience. He examined the “Right Wing Authoritarian” mindset, which adheres to whatever belief system their current leader professes. It was written during the Cheney Bush Administration and focused on Cheney and Gingrich and their ilk, but it most certainly is still applicable today, if not more so. Trump’s followers epitomize the authoritarians from Dean’s examination far more than the conservatives who followed Gingrich and Delay, et al.

These people have been groomed for 50 years by the Gingriches of their day and Trump co-opted them all by being a better “strongman” than the conservatives were and now all that programming is locked onto him. I don’t see any obvious means by which they might be convinced to quit Trump, given the research that Dean cites.

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Communism ended a real long time ago, like when Reagan was elected, or sometime like that. Besides billionaires aren’t communists, this is well known.

Well, that’s because they need world translators to translate what was meant by the message.

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Me

Don’t know about that. Bone Spurs is killin’ me.

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Ask Fredo what happens when one endangers the family.

Absolutely. That’s his m. o.

Did you hear Rachel Maddow talk about that one guy at the meeting on her show on Friday? He is the poster child for money laundering

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For a real life examination of the phenomenon, I always go back to John Dean’s Conservatives without Conscience. He examined the “Right Wing Authoritarian” mindset…

That was a great book, though I don’t have a copy anymore. But it led me to another great one, which I do still have – “The Authoritarians” by Dr. Bob Altemeyer of the University of Manitoba, who made it his life’s work to study Authoritarianism, and in particular, Authoritarian Followers.

https://theauthoritarians.org/

Dean discovered Altemeyer’s work in the course of his research for Conservatives Without Conscience, and was deeply influenced by it. He got in touch with Altemeyer, who had written a number of scholarly works, but nothing intended for a mass audience, and suggested Altemeyer write something more accessible to the average reader. The result was The Authoritarians, which is written in a conversational style, but at the same time thoroughly grounded in Altemeyer’s decades of research.

It’s also, surprisingly, a very witty and entertaining book, a real page-turner. And has the funniest footnotes I have ever seen in a book that takes on a very serious subject. The humor really helps, as obviously a lot of the subject matter is pretty grim. It works in kind of a “spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down” kind of way.

If you haven’t had the pleasure of reading The Authoritarians, I highly recommend it. Printed copies are available, and there’s an audiobook version, but it’s also available as a free e-book:

https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/

In my opinion both Conservatives Without Conscience, and The Authoritarians, are must-reads for anyone concerned about The Big Picture in politics, especially in the Trump era.

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And the other son is downright stupid. And ugly as sin.

If you welsh on a promise to the Russian Mafia, they will be unmerciful in their revenge. The sanctions did not go away, Donald. Nothing is worse than not being able to deliver on a deal. What good is Donald to Russia now besides making our nation look stupid?

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