Thanks to you, Mrs. Judge Robinson
Kansans who were voting Kobach anyway
Hey hey hey
Now can pull the level for Hitler on Election Day
Hey hey hey
And when time proves him bad or worse than Brownback
The worst extreme Nordic baby Jesus racist hack
Ach thpfzt ach
And Kansas is reduced to toxic bunghole sludge
Like depicted all along in Drudge
Kansans can then blame it all on you
Koo ka-ka koo
“Judge Robinson had the power to stop him cold
Before Day One, before his racism b.s. got too bold”
Thereby leaving every Kansas GOPer free of blame
Just the same - like after Quantrill came
Attacking Lawrence for being far too tame
In declining to lynch black folk in Baby Jesus’ name.
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Bullshit. If this were a typical criminal trial, maybe Judge Robinson’s logic would hold water. But this was a civil suit regarding the actions and behavior of a public servant. If Kobach didn’t want his actions scrutinized by the public, he shouldn’t have run for public office.
But he did. And the answers Kobach gave to legal questions regarding his decisions should be part of the public record - including the video of those answers, so the public can view and assess his credibility, and whether he comports himself with the demeanor one expects from a public servant, for themselves.
This sucks.
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Republicans.
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OK that’s fine. As long as it remains a part of the legal proceedings, and is introduced as evidence in the trial. This won’t help his case or campaign regardless.
I have to wonder if people considering voting for him are troubled at all by what it is he’s hiding? If he’s so blatantly hiding something that might change minds, why would you vote for him in those circumstances? Show it and let me make up my mind accordingly. Hide it, and you make it up for me.
Also a leak of the video wouldn’t hurt. Russia, if you’re listening…
You seem to think this is SOP and it isn’t. Case files are generally kept in the District Clerk’s office with all of the Discovery and everything that has been filed in the case - unless there was a hearing that ended in ruling that something would be kept sealed.
This is backwards - having to ask for something that is by rights part of a public record shouldn’t be an issue.
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Because law-breaking is OK, as long as you’re a Republican.
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Republicans? Worried about GOP office-holders hiding things from them? That’s not something Republicans worry about - that’s something they demand.
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OK. I’ll agree. I have no legal training whatsoever, so i have no idea what is and isn’t SOP. And as far as the public record goes, i always have been curious about why the proceedings inside a courtroom are so tightly controlled. I tried to explain my best guess as to why that might be, but apparently i was way off.
Was the video used as evidence, or was it simply a recording of a previous hearing? If it was used as evidence, then that does lend itself to full public disclosure unless, as you said, there was a hearing to prevent its release. if it was simply a video of a previous course of the trial, it’s always been my understanding that cameras are not allowed within the courtroom, period.Why that camera was allowed to video the proceedings is beyond me.I’m sure there was a good reason, but i don’t know all of the details surrounding the case.
I did follow that trial, but my concern was purely political. As far as understanding the SOPs, i’m pretty useless.
I thought it was the video of a deposition, which is pre-trial discovery and usually filed with the rest of the records whether used in evidence or not.
It is not really standard to make things secret in our judicial system. There are exceptions, like when a minor is involved. But for the most part, you are involved in a lawsuit, that lawsuit is a public event and the record of it is almost always public.
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Can the decision be appealed?
I don’t know any reason why not.
Can and will are 2 different things. If the plaintiffs wanted to appeal, that course of action would undoubtedly take place after the election.
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Totally agree with that - I don’t think they will.
But if I was a reporter, I would.
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The cockroach thought he’d won the day somebody turned on the lights and started running the attack ads suggested by @rwdorsey and @ottnott.
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I’d prefer Rick & Morty…
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Kobach will pile-drive Kansas into irretrievable insolvency .
… then put the state up for Bankruptcy auction
… Koch Bros will buy it and it will be come the first privatized state …
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I’m “liking” that, because it made me chuckle at the irony of it…
That said, I’m not sure many actual R voters feel that way. They don’t like being misled any more than we do, but convincing them that we’re not just “politicking” when we point those things out is a tough row to hoe…
If you really like someone, a leader, a politician (like Obama for instance), and someone is trying hard to convince you that he’s got a mean streak, or an evil bent, and they’re presenting pretty compelling reason to feel that way, it’s still going to require a real “burden of proof” to change your position or feeling toward the person.
But then, even if shown that “proof”, if the source isn’t from one you perceive as credible, or also “on your side”, then it could easily be construed as ‘fake news’, or ginned up political spin.
Especially when your peers, the news they follow, and the politicians in their party are all chanting the same rhetoric in lockstep. “The Dem Mob” has become an across-the-party-board meme over at GOP HQ… Senators, Housecritters, Fox News, the President, his Press Secretary, all repeating that lie over and over and over as if it’s a given.
Dems (in general. All or most, and not just the politicians) have become an angry, violent mob, who must not be allowed to govern!
This is the most troubling crap I’ve seen in my lifetime. It hews far too closely to the very same methodology that brought Hitler to power. Is this their intention? To bring in someone who can build a cult of personality as Hitler did, and simply take power once and for all? Sure, there might be some upheaval, but they own the troops, and will quickly take down most of any serious “resistance”…
That’s where I see it headed. We’ll see what happens after the midterms. The following two years are going to be either the scariest of my life or a huge relief. I don’t see much space for a less extreme middle ground in there…
I hope I am terribly wrong about all of it…!
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This was my exact advice to the Kelly campaign. The model I had in mind was different, however.
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Thank you–absolutely! That is (and your other commenters are) on the same wavelength I was on my first read. As one more example of where this could/should go, I give you Badger’s Star Trek episode.
Its justice that’s supposed to be blind ,…not the public,… fascist !@#$%$#@!