Discussion: Kimmel Responds To Critics Of His Plea For Health Care For All Americans (VIDEO)

Ah, yes, the “Ted Nugent” Jesus.

He should be Red-Headed however. He is in the original painting that is taken from.
Also, now he should be wearing a CAMO robe and holding an Bushmaster.
All the “cool” kids are doing it now (lever-action is SO last century.)

You should also add to that the verse:

“And lo the Lord entered the Temple and was overjoyed to see the Money-Changers in charge, as His Father intended.”

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Good for Kimmel. It’s easy to demonize the wealthy, at least for me when I get going about “the plutocrats blah blah blah,” but he’s a stand up guy, and a good reminder that some of them are indeed not just willing to see the right thing done, but to demand it, even if what it would mean is higher taxes for themselves, etc.

Perhaps “I’m sorry for saying that children should have healthcare” should become a meme and/or advertisement. An apology tour, as it were. “I’m sorry for saying the disabled should have healthcare.” “I’m sorry for saying that grandmothers should have healthcare.” “I’m sorry for saying that the poor and destitute should have health care.” “I’m sorry for saying the mentally ill should have health care.” “I’m sorry for saying that homeless veterans should have health care.” And, of course, what really shows just how fucking absurd it is that we even have to have these conversations and fight these fights uphill against the avalanche of avarice that is the GOP and conservatism: “I’m sorry for saying that the SICK should have health care.”

Show them all. Make America watch from their couches as these people apologize for their need. Have the child born with a condition apologize to America. Have the college-age cancer patient apologize to America. Have the disabled father who can’t work to support his family apologize to America. Have a frail grandmother apologize to America. Have the pregnant woman in poverty apologize to America. Do it. Parade them on screen and shove the GOPers’ infinite shame right up their collective ass. SHOCK THEM. OFFEND THEM. ENRAGE THEM. Disregard all boundaries of propriety, lift the rug, scrape away the whitewash and lay it all out there for the ugly naked truth it is. It’s so long overdue I can’t fucking stand it.

LET IT BEGIN

NO QUARTER.

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He has the senator who spoke of the “Jimmy Kimmel” test.

My favorite line: he talks about the importance of certain types of coverage even if you have pre-existing conditions, but without mandates, since people don’t like mandates. So, he wants to mandate that people are able to get coverage. Without mandates.

That’s really the point here. You are not going to simply provide funds to people to get coverage. It involves some sort of “mandate” on both ends – the supply end (insurance companies and doctors/hospitals not refusing patients or charging them prices so high it amounts to same thing) and demand end (insurance involves each one of us, as we are able, to pay deductibles etc. and get covered when we need it).

People might not like to eat their vegetables before dessert, but mature adults do.

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just a couple of the things that jumped out at me:

the senator thinks that democrats should call their democratic senators and tell them to “engage” and help craft a bill. uh huh. fuck you, asshole. where were you from 2009-2017, during the Era Of NO? fuck your “call your senator and tell them to engage.” what a sick, un-self-aware, ridiculous joke.

second, the senator thinking this needs to work for the taxpayer. um … which taxpayers, senator? the rich, am i right? and by “work for” you mean “not cost,” am i right, senator? so translated: “providing health care needs not to cost the rich,” eh? is that about it?

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He also stuck in the “can’t afford it” BS In regards to taxes. He’s still a republican and evidently a Trump cheerleader.

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But here’s the kicker - Americans ARE obsessed with celebrities. Kim Kardashian (and the whole family really) is famous for being famous (or making a sex tape). People watch the trashiest tv shows imaginable like Real Housewives, Jersey Shore, the Bachelor, etc.

So the real question is: Why aren’t there more Jimmy Kimmels? More Stephen Colberts? Why aren’t the celebrities that held rallies for Clinton using their enormous star power to fuel and fund the Resistance?

You aren’t going to change Americans in the next decade, so we might as well try to change the celebrities they follow like cult leaders.

baby steps.
It’s an improvement over looking after babies only for the first negative 9 months.

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It’s somewhat strategic to wrap any preferred policy around Trump [maybe we can get him to think resigning was his own idea too] but yeah … he tossed in “Trump” a lot.

I heard a constituent stand up at one of these town halls and say, “I just said the pledge of allegiance to the United States of America. So, why should I live in a state that can decide that I don’t deserve Medicaid or that insurance won’t cover my pre-existing condition?” It was, in my opinion, a great comeback for those waivers the GOP is proposing.

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I notice that in this interview, Cassidy made a point of saying “not only in the first year, but in every year thereafter.”

Looks like he felt the sting of criticism over his original “in that first year of life” comment.

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He is from Loooowisianna after all. I admired what he’s doing, but not all of America’s health problems are going to be solved by a couple doctors “going rogue”

Yep.
My family also “drank the powdered milk” Jimmy (and even ate the “powdered eggs” blech!)
We were so poor we did not even KNOW IT. We thought everybody lived like that and just accepted it as “normal” in the small mid-western town I grew up in. No government assistance (my Dad was too proud for that) just really poor.

As I grew up we progressed steadily into the upper middle-class, but I NEVER forgot living with the other poor people as a child.
I guess that is why I am a type of Progressive (Bleeding-Heart Libertarian actually) because I remember where I came from and how the people I grew up with would give you the (ragged) shirt off of their backs to help you out.
Probably why I have such disdain for certain people who were born into comfort and grew up without a care in the world and no “scars on their faces” but have the arrogance to tell me and mine how to think and live.

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I have to say, I thought Kimmel did a pretty damned impressive job here of cutting through some of the smoke and mirrors. Better than most actual “journalists.” I’m sure some folks would have preferred to see him go even more hard-core in his criticism and to take an openly hostile tone toward some of the bullshit Cassidy was shoveling. But I tend to think that would have been less effective with the broader audience, and that Kimmel’s respectful-but-assertive tone here was calibrated just about perfectly. He didn’t look like someone trying to score points, but he did look like someone determined to get straight answers.

The best part was at the very end, where Kimmel basically said that if politicians are going to refer to a “Jimmy Kimmel Test,” then, as Jimmy Kimmel, he’s going to insist that the Jimmy Kimmel Test is that “no family is denied medical care, emergency or otherwise, because they can’t afford it” – not just that kids with birth defects like his son are covered.

He was very polite and diplomatic about it, but that was the message – if you’re gonna use my name, the standard is universal coverage, health care as a right. This was a masterful shifting of the goalposts (to their rightful location in the end zone)

Cassidy had no way to really escape that. He bobbed and weaved, saying “hey man, you’re on the right track, but we gotta be able to pay for it,” and went back into his schtick about middle class families who can’t afford their premiums (which is a legitimate issue, but not in any logical way is it an excuse for failing the “Kimmel Test”).

It was a reasonably clever attempt to evade the issue, and one that would probably have worked with plenty of journalists. And to be fair, most journalists don’t have the star power that Kimmel has, or the perception of personal moral authority on this issue that Kimmel has by virtue of his son’s situation, and that he earned by raising this issue in such a powerful, personal way. Nor do most journalists have a studio audience cheering them on as they ask the questions.

But Kimmel does have those advantages, he knows it, and he didn’t waste them. As it turned out, Cassidy’s attempt to duck failed, in fact he walked right into the coup de grace:

Kimmel: “I can think of a way to pay for it – don’t give a huge tax cut to millionaires like me.”

Cassidy’s helpless foolish grin as he realizes he’s just been rhetorically decapitated in front of an audience of millions is just priceless.

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I was mildly disappointed that he had the perfect opportunity while talking to Cassidy bring up single payer but didn’t. Then again, that was quintessential Kimmel … being polite.

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A large number I’ve looked up over the years have come from middle and lower classes. It might depend upon who you look up, I guess.

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