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“No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison, Political Observations, April 20, 1795
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“I will never attend an anti-war rally; if you have a peace rally, invite me.” Mother Teresa
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Another sign that we’re back to the Bush days. We’re again at war with generic “terror”.
Al Qaeda was different. They conducted a massive attack on the US so being at war with them was correct. Obama used to know the difference between that and “Global War on Terror”. Not so much anymore it seems.
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“Many moving parts”
That’s enough to give the MIC an orga$m.
Kerry’s hawkish side is really coming into the light, and it’s pretty ugly.
Wrong. Do you see the Obama admin using false intelligence as the Bush admin did?
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How so? Because Kerry is acknowledging the complexity of the issue of taking out IS?
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What a load of bollocks.
Yes, al Qeada conducted a massive attack on the US so Bush INVADED a country that had nothing to do it creating the situation we have today.
Edit to add:
If you think about it this is the continuation of a conflict that began in 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait. We’ve been at war over there for 24 years.
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Well we did get that lie about intervening just to get people off a mountain, which turned into intervening to protect the Kurdish cities, which turned into protracted strikes and advisors to help the Iraqi army win the war, which has now become a 3+ year campaign and “war” but with no, positively no, “boots on the ground”. What will come next?
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A “lie” which resulted in six IS leaders being killed, including al-Baghdadi’s right hand man.
I didn’t say Bush’s war with Iraq was legitimate, I said the war with Al Qeada was legitimate.
ISIS didn’t attack the US either, unless you count disrupting our new clients in Iraq as an attack on the US, as apparently the administration does. That’s what this is really about, IMO.
I agree with you that this is in some ways part of a 24 year conflict. With that history, it seems less than wise to escalate to yet another neighboring country (Syria).
No. Because he has been spewing out Bush-Grade inanities on everything related to NatSec for some time now.
It’s the new face of the Democratic Party - hawkish and steeped in fear-mongering propaganda.
Escalation is a real thing of beauty, isn’t it? Nobody could have foreseen!
There were 20,000 Yazidi children dying of thirst on a mountain. That wasn’t a lie.
August 5, 2014
“UN alarm over fate of Iraqi Yazidi children”
August 5, 2014
“Iraqi Yazidis stranded on isolated mountaintop begin to die of thirst”
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Oh really? Where has the President stated “Bring em on” or had SecDef Hagel talk about “You go to war with the Army you have, not the one you might want”?
And it’s your false equivalence between Dems and Repubs that actually benefits the Republicans. Would you rather we have a calm headed person like Obama occupy the Oval Office and look before he leaps, or would you rather we have more warmongering idiots like McCain and Romney get us into WWIII?
In short, if you have nothing positive to offer, STFU.
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Yes, and for the reasons you cite it was very hard to oppose helping the people on the mountain.
In light of what we’ve seen since then, do you really believe that the administration’s ONLY goal at the time was helping the Yazidis? Did they just forget to mention to us that it was the opening phase to a war, rather than an stand-alone armed humanitarian action? Purely an honest mistake?
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You’re making it up.
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No thanks - I’ll leave the mindless cheer-leading to the folks who are hammering down the Terror Kool-Aid and asking for seconds.
The “kool-aid” talking point is right wing. It’s revealing how so many of you folks on the “hard left” end up sounding like the far right that you despise.
Also too, the more negativity you push towards Obama/Democrats, the more Republicans gain. Republicans deal in negativity, and when you hard left people deal in the same negativity, the Republicans win, because most voters don’t like Republicans. However, when they hear supposed spokespeople for Dems, they’re not going to show up and vote, hence less opposition for Republicans.
In short, if you’re attacking Democrats right now, you are helping the Republicans.