Clinton showed something of her personable side when she testified for 11 hours before the Benghazi committee. She also demonstrated her intelligence, stamina, and composure. After watching several hours of her testimony, I began my drift from supporting Sanders to supporting Clinton. She looked presidential.
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Sheâs has said the AUMF was a mistake many times, and IIRC, calls it her greatest mistake. Though one should look at the context of her being lied to. Great article about this uses the Congressional Record about this, plus gives some backgroun http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html
I do find it odd that she trusted the Repubs in this case, because usually she knows better. But I think sheâs learned from that, and Obamaâs mistake of thinking that those asshats care about the country at all. When clearly, they donât. From Iraq, to defaulting on the debt, to not even voting for a SCOTUS, the Repub. officials seem to have no one who is willing to put the nation first. Witness Trump as nominee, and how many arenât sticking with NeverTrump.
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Clinton has flaws. A lot of them per many peopleâs views. And yes, a LOT of good things going for her too.
I whole heartily want Hillary to kick ass and win. Desperately.
Calling people on the left like Stewart a âfoolâ and heaping vitriol on him for critiques of her are just not the way to unite the left or convince anyone to ever come over to Hillary⌠a great way ostracize people, yes.
I am continuously baffled by the increasingly arrogant and just snide tone that is coming from the comments here over the last 6 months, especially around anyone that criticizes Hillary.
Maybe it is fear ebbing out. I donât know. Whatever it is⌠if you want a Trump president⌠then keep it up. Otherwise, reign this shit in and focus on attracting people to your way of thinking rather than calling them idiots.
The only person I agree with totally is myself. And even then Iâve âevolvedâ on some issues as Iâve gotten older and/or with new information. Oh noes! Iâve waffled from my 20 year old self!! Iâm totally untrustworthy now.
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This is only a problem in an electoral phase of politics. Usually (and I believe in Clintonâs case) this is a strength in context of governing phase of politics. I want a president who deeply considers issues before making decisions, who understands that the world is not black and white, and who can evolve over time. (I donât think I am disagreeing with your overall post, just wanted to stress this one point â even here we talk too much about âappealâ of a politician rather than details of his/her policies.)
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That is my personal memory of the key betrayal, too. I just could not fathom, then, that Powellâs Security Council presentation could not be true. While cynical by nature, and very leery of the (still early, then, but clear enough) neocon power trip we were verging on, I did not, before or during the fact, believe that Powell was â whether knowingly or himself as a dupe is no matter at this level â lying. It remains a nightmare.
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Heâs trying to position a fulcrum where thereâs only a floating decimal point⌠or something like that⌠Stewartâs always trying to find the middle, he was one of the âMSNBC is just FOX on potâ posers, heâs just playing to the whole audience, not just his ideological fellows.
Strictly businessâŚ
But in this election, the Trumpfaced extreme is so absurd, Hillaryâs simple sanity seems rather stark in comparison, it makes that middle ground so much easier to find.
I smelled the salesman the moment he wiggled that little vial.
âŚtakes one to know one, though, but it is hard to fathom that folks were fooled so easily, the whole charade was orchestrated, anyone with production experience could see it was a concoction⌠it was as if someone was writing a sequel to âWag the Dogâ and mostly due to 9-11 PTSD, people were just too shock-stupid and anger-blind to perceive it.
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hardly pathological, it is strictly business.
but, then, they may be synonymousâŚ
So, is there another game? âŚwe hedge and pander on a small scale every moment of our lives, can you even talk to two of your own friends or relatives without having to play the juggler, even in lifeâs smallest moments?
Politics is just a reflection of that, magnified by a few million, waffling to you might be conviction to someone very close to you.
Thereâs only one game.
She plays it well, that alone should encourage all of us, if it represents a fault, not a quality, what are you thinking?
If we want to change the game, change the players first, then change the game, and this woman runs this race like a champ, and Iâd wager sheâs more than a little amenable to helping us change it, so whatâs the question right now?
Lets get on with it.
Letâs make this happen and then talk about changing it.
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My point was there was only one person running in 2008 who actually voted no on the AUMF and that was Dennis Kuccinich who now works at Fox News. Everyone else who ran in 2008 that had a vote on the AUMF (and there were four of them) voted yes but only Clinton gets labeled a warmonger by people around the left side of the blogosphere. Why is that?
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Why? âŚbecause she is always weighed on a faulty scale by the very powerful and VAST rightwing media machine⌠making Hilary look bad somehow is just as automatic as their obstruction of Obama, and goes back much longer.
Hillary gets vilified for her qualities. Thereâs an insider-industry on the right that is built on twisting words just for that purpose.
Rove is probably the original mastermind behind it, he probably developed the pattern of how they use her own good character traits against her by framing it negatively.
Luntz, no doubt, participates in that part of the vast right wing conspiracy that we all know is very real. It is all about framing.
When Hillary exhibits leadership, they pose her as the ice-queen, when she displays emotion or any form of personal sincerity, sheâs weak, and they pounce on any perceived slight or error with extremely well-focused wordsmiths, who mangle her words into soundbites and mold them into memes that Republican tools can spit out at each other when they practice their cult hate.
Thatâs whyâŚ
sorry, had to ventâŚ
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In her time as SOS, she backed increased involvement in Afghanistan. She pushed for arming the Syrian rebels, and later endorsed air strikes against Assad. She backed intervention in Libya, eventually convincing Obama to get the U.S. involved. I maintain that every one of these actions was a bad idea, and unless someone thinks that things are better now in any one of those countries, Iâm not sure how anyone could disagree.
The evidence is all there, and itâs pretty compelling.
I guess that makes me some sort of seer and sage. I knew. I had no doubt about it at all. I didnât know whether Powell was being played, or whether he had become a willing participant in the long con. In either case, his reputation was toast.
It wasnât difficult to figure out. The weapons inspectors were being given unfettered access, including surprise visits to all sorts of facilities, yet they were coming up empty. You had to figure that the inspectors were being given tips by U.S. intelligence about likely sites to visit, and you had to figure that Iraq was, at that stage of the game, being given a lot of spy satellite time. If stuff was being moved around, we certainly would have known about it, and would have known where to steer the inspectors.
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One last point from me-- on this discussion of the AUMF vote and HRC.
This thread? Is what a rational debate of the topic entails.
Itâs how those who disagree with details come to terms with one anotherâs views-- sans trolling.
I appreciated the even discourse over many hours.
jw1
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No, she just knows in order to get a majority of votes to win the elections, both primary and final, she has to get a lot of people to vote for her that donât hold her exact beliefs. So even if she believes her beliefs are the correct ones(that might need adjusting as events play out) she has to offer up beliefs that a majority of folks are ok with and so will vote her into office. Then she can go about following her beliefs and adjust as needed when reality doesnât follow her beliefs. Which is how it is with all of us in life.
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And the alternatives to what she proposed were better?
Disagreement done with respect and absence of "moronâ, âidiotâ, and worse is what makes things hum here.
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Almost certainly.
I disagree. I think the alternatives are worse.