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Got no opinion about merit/demerit of defacement. But the man was a traitor to the Republic, so you kinda wonder whether UT might want to rethink the presence of the statue in the first place…
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In modern times, he would probably be known as a terrorist.
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If slavery were legal today, it would be an exclusive privilege of the 1%. Slaves would cost more than minimum wage employees and that fact is in no way a compliment towards the traitors’ being celebrated in the Texas statuary.
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“I don’t think we’re trying to put up stuff just to put up stuff,” said Marshall Davis, spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. “We don’t want to impede anyone else from honoring their heroes. We would like to honor our heroes with the same consideration, tolerance and diversity.”
Hero? This is who Texas considers a hero. We all know how crazy these Texan’s became after a Negro was elected President, but to call Davis a Hero? And to use Tolerance and Diversity in the same breath.
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“The fact that the state of Texas joined the Confederate States of America is history.”
I’m no historian, but I think those who believe the Confederacy is a secret plan to establish martial law in America have an equal right to be heard in the same venues.
Well, if we’re going to be honoring the enemies of the United States, I want an Emperor Hirohito statue. I mean, he was fighting for protecting peoples’ homes and freedoms, too you know.
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I strongly suspect that their passions for such swinery will subside in January 2017, but that’s just my opinion.
I don’t think there is any country in the world that allows its minority losers to celebrate their loss. The South lost! Jeff Davis was a loser, not a hero. And Texas not only lost that one, it is still losing it today every time you celebrate as heroes the losers of that war.
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Wasn’t Sam Houston the governor then and stepped down when the terrorists told him to take an oath to the confederacy? Seems Gov. Houston was the hero.
Can we do a 3-D image of Gov. Houston to counter the terrorist?
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Selma’ is out on DVD. Great movie.
Carleton said aside from the symbolism of the statues, they’re works of
art and should be preserved. He suggests adding explanatory plaques that
describe the original intention.
I suggest:
Jefferson Davis
Traitor & Slave holder
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I’ll give your post a ‘like’ because I agree with the sentiment.
But please-- don’t broadbrush the entirety of our state’s population because some whack racist organization-- can, under the cover of an historical context construct their bigoted memorials publicly.
I mean really? This is hardly newsworthy-- as we’re preparing for an invasion by the U.S. Military.
jw1
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Look, there are much bigger fish to fry than harping over a few statues. Let’s not forget that we all honor and glorify slave-owning rebels … who fought the British. Funny how “winning” puts things in a different perspective. Flame me if you want to, but the log in our collective eye is ever present.
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The fact that the state of Texas joined the Confederate States of America is history.
And the fact that this was an overt act of treason is also history.
US Constitution, Article III, Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
Celebrating treason by putting up a statue of Jefferson Davis in Austin is like putting up a statue of Benedict Arnold at West Point.
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He didn’t “step down.” He was deposed by the secession convention. Man was a slave owner and a states righter, but he was smart and prescient. On the way home, he told people this:
Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.
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In Huntville TX where Sam Houston State University resides-- near the entrance to the campus-- a near-70ft tall statue of the man stands.
He’s revered in several locations around the state-- this being the grandest.
jw1
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It’s been that way for a long time:
Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
– Sir John Harrington (1561-1612)
An echo of Seneca’s
Prosperum ac felix scelus
Virtus vocatur
[“Successful and fortunate crime
Is called virtue”]
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Jefferson Davis was a lot more than the president of the CSA.
He is an important figure in American history, and should not be ignored because he held that office.
“Davis was born in Kentucky to a moderately prosperous farmer, and grew up on his brother’s large cotton plantations in Mississippi and Louisiana. His brother Joseph secured his appointment to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. After he graduated, Jefferson served six years as a lieutenant in the United States Army. He fought in the Mexican–American War (1846–1848), as the colonel of a volunteer regiment. He served as the U.S. Secretary of War from 1853 to 1857 under President Franklin Pierce, and as a Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi. An operator of a large cotton plantation in Mississippi with over 100 slaves, he was well known for his support of slavery during his time in the Senate. Although Davis argued against secession, he believed that each state was sovereign and had an unquestionable right to secede from the Union.”
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