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Discussion: It’s Not Just Trump: The GOP’s Plan To Ignore The Constitution On Birthright Citizenship
Which means we know we’ll lose big time, every time but still want to recklessly spend taxpayer money to make a point, all the while denying the needy, the poor, the infirm financial help, medical aid and shelter. Nice, real nice Pubs!
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While I agree with everything in Tierney’s piece, I am still shocked by the short-sighted vitriol these guys have. I shouldn’t be – people of empathy (or Empathic Americans) should have a callus protecting our brains from this crap by now.
Fortunately, I have enough faith in the humans to still believe my dog could win the general against any of GOP bunch. And she’s crazy.
SHAMMY 2016
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When the 14th Amendment passed, there were no immigration laws-anyone who wanted to could simply come here. so it’s ridiculous to claim that there was an intent to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants.
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You’ll have to define ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ means, and that’s a very difficult task for them to do.
Let’s see, can they be arrested? Are they subject to the laws of the country? Even if the parents are here illegally, the parents are subject to the laws of the jurisdiction. So is the baby.
Stupid argument.
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“This notion that the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to anyone who has happened to be born on U.S. soil no matter how they’re here – they’re just wrong,” said Chapman University School of Law Dean John Eastman, who has led conservative legal fights on everything from gay marriage to reining in the Supreme Court.
Ok this is Wong Kim Ark and Eastman might wanna look at his reasoning in regards to that hi-lighted statement. Kim Ark’s parents were subject to an exclusion act that prevented them from becoming naturalized citizens. However…Kim Ark was born in California and though he went back with his family to China, Kim Ark was born in America.
Now supposedly smarter men than Eastman tried to find reason to prevent Chinese citizens (who were born in the US) from returning to the states. Sometimes they succeeded, but in the process they created the paperwork and precedence that now forces either one of two things to occur for birthright citizenship to go ‘bye-bye’ in regards to the states.
Either the Supreme Court rules that a child’s parents have to be here legally (Kim Ark’s parents were prevented from doing so, because of an exclusion act) or an amendment has to repeal the 14th.
I have typed this before in regards to the repeal advocates: seeing how the 14th amendment is still relevant in this century, were it to be repealed, what would be its replacement?
So what you would replace it with, repeal advocates. This type of discrimination is old and it has yet to go away; the only difference is that the spotlighted races are now different.
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It’s an incredibly stupid argument. By those lights, if anyone breaks the law, their kids would lose their citizenship.
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Issues that require solutions that are based in reality are not the current GOP’s strong suit —
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Since conservatives now admit the Constitution is wrong, let’s take out the 2nd Amendment too.
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Remember when there was all this hating on the 17th amendment?
And Bobby Jindal, that craven ho, who would himself be declared “Non-citizen,” has jumped in on this. (As the daughter of someone who would lose citizenship under this change, I kind of resent the whole idea anyway.) And Cruz! He now says that he certainly would be a citizen! Because his mother was, even though he himself was born elsewhere-- and a citizen elsewhere, which those born here would not be. And so of course, excluding himself from this group, he’s all for disenfranchising.
Not that they give an F, but creating a whole group of people who aren’t citizens anywhere because they were born here is pretty nasty.
Maybe they have never noticed how much vitality and innovation this very group brings to the US.
And naturally they are refusing to face what it means. When someone says, but that would strip citizenship from (name someone who has always considered themselves a citizen), they say scathingly, “Nothing is ever retroactive! They’d be grandfathered in!” (Though of course laws often are retroactive-- it wasn’t just those born after the 14th Amendment that were named citizens.)
This willingness to trash longstanding constitutional law is just… well, they’re vandal hordes. And they just do it to trash. It’s getting really awful. Next stop, 13th Amendment. And that 19th… who needs women voters? They usually vote the wrong way anyway, huh?
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I’ll personally support repealing the 14th amendment the day they support repealing the 2nd. Sounds fair enough, right?
(P.S. I guess I should clarify I was being facetious. I was trying to make a point on how they’d never agree to a repeal of the 2nd, and in the same way, most of us would never agree to a repeal of the 14th. Even through personally I’d LOVE a repeal of the 2nd.)
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Being born to an illegal means never having to pay a parking ticket? Treated just like a diplomat?
Alice in Wonderland.
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A National Immigration program is a must AND within the context of our nation’s own over population crisis! We have approx. 321 million people on our land mass that can only sustain between 150 million and 175 million humans!
YES, the 3rd largest nation in the world has an over population crisis and is facing water, food, healthcare, energy, polluted environment, natural resource shortages, and infrastructure crisis. That country is these United States.
I wonder how many Americans realize that we a huge net importer of food now? We can no longer feed our own people and as a restul, we are a major reason for rising food prices around the globe and especially in under developed nations!
The US has dramatically changed and we are no longer a wide open land mass in need of people…we are now over populated.
The Republicans want a small government - even while our population has doubled just during the baby boomer generation alone! In a word: stupidity!
The Democrats need to take the lead on getting our nation to start addressing our over population crisis and yes - immigration as one factor within that crisis!
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Updated for accuracy.
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GOP policy: Only those who pledge a loyalty oath to der Fuhrer, and are of pure aryan blood can be citizens.
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I thought that the Republicans were claiming to have made inroads into the Mexican community? What, as soon as they let them in the side door they kick them out the back door.
Republicans electoral hopes are not in sync with their nativist beliefs. If the Repubs had their dreathers, they dreather have the illegals vote for them by mail from Mexico.
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Please end it, but put some kind of regularized immigration system in place. Whatever it is today, it makes Russian bureaucracy look efficient. At least granting citizenship to children puts them on the path to integration with the society. The elements for a regularized scheme are there.
Also, policy has implications. It is no coincidence that some of the biggest trouble spots in the world (and sources of migrants) had very high fertility rates still in the 1980s when the US phased out its family planning branch of foreign aid. Granted, the population booms were not always in the countries on our aid list, but globally the CIA was tracking this pretty closely. Syria’s fertility rate was above 4 (so between 1980 and 2014 the population rose from 6 to 23 million), and it was supposedly on a rational development track. Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, just crazy numbers and geopolitical issues. Oh yeah, and the world population zoomed to 7.3 billion. Hmm. Who was president then?
“If you don’t fund the State Department fully, then I need to buy more ammunition” – General James Mattis
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Typo?
“This notion that the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to anyone who has happened to be born on U.S. soil no matter how they’re here – they’re just Wong,”
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Well having just attended last night’s Trump rally, I know that that all of 'Merica’s problems are caused by those illegal foreigners that came here, took our jobs and lands, ruined our environment, and killed Americans.
Now if we could just get those pilgrims back on the Mayflower, we could return to the once great country we used to be.
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On the plus side, anchor babies Cruz, Rubio, Jindahl, Niki Haley, and Michelle Malkin could be deported in President Trump’s America.
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