Discussion: Israel's Acting FM: Poles Collaborating With Nazis Remark 'Tells The Truth'

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Except that Bibi makes unholy alliances with Jew-hating Christianist End-Timers and nationalistic RW anti-Semitic European nations like Hungary and others, so your protestations against Poland ring about as true as a Styrofoam church bell, sir.

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Good! So I guess they’ll be happy to discuss their treatment of the Palestinians then?

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Having a problem with Isreal bombing entire city blocks because family memvers of a suicide bomber lives there is anti-Semitic… haven’t you heard?

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The above 2 comments are whataboutism. The Israeli FM’s comments, quoting Shamir, were extreme but not entirely incorrect given the long history of Polish anti-Semitism.

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Eye for an eye makes everyone blind… as is being proven generation after generation after generation…

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Poland is a member of the EU, so I guess it’s OK to talk bad about them.

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Poland is very sensitive to claims that “all Poles” were anti-Semitic. Their nation ceased to exist during World War II - the only nation conquered by Germany that was treated this way. They see claims like this as ignoring Polish suffering during the occupation and their resistance to the Nazi conquest of their country, as well as a grave insult implying that all Poles were guilty of being Nazi collaborators.

Israel’s acting FM is doing a fine job - if his job is to promote anti-semitism and contempt for Israel in Poland.

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It’s TrumpWorld now. Promoting contempt for everyone else is now policy. Until everyone hate ands distrusts everyone else there’s more work to do.

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Yearning to know whom the Israeli’s are collaborating with and why…that would be something.

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Beautiful post.

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Yep, that’s the stated goal of Putin to get Russia back into Superpower country.

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It’s not “whataboutism” when its relevant information regarding the person making these accusations. Israel is saying to Poland "relax, we’re only stating a fact so you can’t be upset by it. My comment was intended to point out that Israel acts the same damn way when pressed about their actions towards Palestinians, thus pointing out the hypocrisy of their position. The big difference is that Poland’s actions happened several generations ago but Israel is in the middle of oppressing Palestinians.

So does this put Katz on Netenyahu’s s**tlist for turning away rightwing nationalists that Israel is coming to rely on?

Nope. The poles have the longest tradition of tolerating Jews since the middle ages. There is a reason the jews lived in Poland. When they got chase out of what is now Germany and then out of Russia, they went to Poland where they had a long tradition of religious tolerance since the time of the Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth.

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The big difference is that several million Polish Jews were murdered in four years, indeed with the aid of many Poles (not all Poles!), and only several hundred thousand Palestinians have been killed in over 50 years of frozen conflict, most of the deaths coming during wars declared against Israel by an assortment of Arab powers. But carry on with false equivalence…Btw. do not read this as an endorsement of Netanyahu’s policies.

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A brief reading list for you: https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Jews-1933-1945/dp/055334532X
https://www.amazon.com/Destruction-European-Jews-Student-One/dp/0841909105/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1550858858&sr=1-1&keywords=raul+hilberg+the+destruction+of+the+european+jews
And most crucially, this book: https://press.princeton.edu/titles/7018.html
which instigated the right-wing Polish government’s backlash against historians who studied Polish complicity in the Holocaust.

Curious how TPM comments section has been taken over by the British Labour party, on this topic.
Several things are possible at once: 1. Israel has a nasty racist government. 2. Poland has a nasty revisionist government. 3. Some people in Israel’s government object to Poland’s revisionist turn. 4. Each of these groups may be nationalist/racist in their own way and against each other’s interests.

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I’m with the Maritz of Israel party. Hatred will kill Israel if Netanyahu continues to rule.

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