Discussion: Israel Deepens Gaza Push To Destroy Hamas Tunnels

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"“We need to go in and finish the job. We need to eliminate every terrorist. They have no immunity.”

With the young children witnessing this,you may be creating more for future generations.IMHO.

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TRANSLATION: “If I don’t do this, Likud will think I’ve gone weak and I’ll be out of a job! Besides, Obama can’t tell ME what to do! Only SHELDON ADELSON can do that!”

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I wonder what the US would do if anti-US guerillas were tunnelling in from Canada to attack Americans and launching rockets into Buffalo, with the support of the Canadian government?

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Take a good look at that picture of Gaza in flames. Look at the dead and wounded and the suffering and give a big thank you to the cowards who poked and prodded and begged for this war. Hamas is an organization of psychopathic murders who care more about turning the people they were elected to lead into “martyrs” then into school children or nurses or factory workers. They do not, nor have they ever cared about actually governing or running Gaza in any meaningful way. They use it as an ammo dump and use the people as human shields. There is a special place in hell for these low lifes.

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There is an equally special place in hell for a people who have occupied the lands of others and subjugated them for decades; subjecting them to a criminal pogrom.

The Israelis operate the world’s largest prison, systematically starve and torture its inhabitants, use food, water and utilities as weapons against its prisoners, and then “mow the lawn” when its blood lust becomes too compelling.

Witness the morality of the oppressor as it murders the unprotected:

Yep, that special place in hell waits the “chosen” tribalists who murder with impunity.

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“Witness the morality of the oppressor as it murders the unprotected:”

Take a class in melodramatic did we? Americans cheered when we dropped bombs on Japan and Germany in WWII, it’s national pride and not limited to ‘oppressors’. Israel did not invade because they were bored and had nothing better to do with all the big guns they had laying around. They invaded because Hamas, after a lot of warnings from both Israel and the world community at large, would not stop shooting rockets at them. I would cheer too if someone went after the people who were shooting rockets at me.
I guess it comes down to picking a side. I’ll take a functioning democracy over a misogynistic group of fundamentalist kamikazes any day of the week.

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The Israeli government is filled with fundamentalist crazies. They just don’t have to be kamikazees because they have sophisticated weaponry, laser guided bombs, aircraft, naval weapons, etc, to kill theire intended targets.

The rockets being fired at Israel are ineffective, crude and impotent which do little damage and cause no casualties. You and other “chosen” tribalists need these “dangerous rocket attacks” as continued justification for the oppression, subjugation and murder of Palestinians. The theft of land and resources from the Palestinians is the intent, these impotent rocket attacks are merely the latest excuse.

The real-time cheering by Israelis is particularly heinous because the victims of those assaults will be real and will be largely civilians’ most likely women and children. These grotesque observers are under no similar threat so are merely spectators to a one-sided slaughter.

Israel is a theocracy, not a democracy. And you are a “chosen” tribalist who cheers the deaths of the “other” because they are less human than you.

To discuss the rocket attacks without discussing the entirety of the circumstances which give rise to such desperate acts is to engage in a fraud. The decades long subjugation of the Palestinians has borne desperation and despair.

To try to create an absurd analogy regarding an attack on our country from Canada without discussing the attendant suppression, murder, and starvation of Canadians and the theft of land makes your analogy quite incomplete. I wonder what you would do if you, your family, and your people were subject to such a fate?

For your edification:

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So, why is Hamas giving the excuse? What is their strategy? If the attacks are impotent, why do them? At some point, in the real world, efficacy does matter.

Did some Palestinians not cheer when Saddam sent Scuds into Israel during the Gulf War? Did some of them not cheer 9/11? You can find a few hundred fools anywhere to cheer anything. So what?

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Yes, but they may also eliminate tunnels that Hamas could use to kill people in this generation, IMHO.

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The people who post here don’t seem to have a good sense of cause/effect.

Do you think it’s coincidental that right after the IDF found a bunch of Hamasniks coming through a tunnel into Israel, they launch a campaign to destroy the tunnels?

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Yes, Israelis cheering their military, so unique, so “tribal.” Who else would do that? Oh, right, most societies.

Of course, if you really want to examine some groups in the region who celebrate murder, there are certainly those among the Palestinians (note the qualifier–“those among”) who lust for Jewish blood–like the people who handed out candy and pastries after Jewish children and infants were stabbed to death in Itamar.

Or after a suicide bombing in Dimona

or dancing in the streets after 9/11

And of course, there is a big difference here-- those Israelis are not necessarily cheering the deaths of civilians; they are cheering attacks on Hamas. that may, of course, result in civilian deaths, but I would say cheering an attack on an enemy military force the results of which you don’t know is not quite the same as cheering the murder of babies that has already taken place.

That said, as in any society, there are evil people people whose “tribal” (there’s that word again–does it only apply to Jews, I’m curious?) instincts lead them to dehumanizing others. So let’s agree that on both sides, there are some people whose moral compasses could use some fine tuning

Meanwhile toughguy, let’s see if you’re any more ready to answer my easy question.

Let’s say Israel ended the blockade, and took down the security fence (the one that Hamas tunnels under in an effort to attack Israelis)

do you think Hamas–the organization whose charter rejects any peaceful settlement or compromise over land, and calls for Israel’s destruction through war–would

A. Embrace the new spirit, agree to negotiate with Israel and make peace

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B. Embrace the opportunity to import and more and better weapons, and launch new and more deadly attacks.

Easy question, toughguy. Which do you think, A or B? Not what you hope, or what you think ultimately down the road most Palestinians might accept, but what do you think hamas would do?

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I hate to be so crass, but you’re a despicable ass. You focus on nonsense when children are being killed by your tribe. If you are in fact a teacher, it is no wonder that so many of our school children emerge from school with such damaged personalities.

There is no simple answer. Besides, lifting the blockade and the security fence are not the end of the matter. Return of Palestinian land taken since 1967 and allowing full control of its own nation are.

I will tell you this, if Israel accepted the Arab Peace Initiative, the rockets would stop.

But Israel will not because the status quo is so preferable to real efforts for peace. Such efforts would require sacrifice and Israel feels no compulsion to make any.

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It’s telling that Israel uses weapons to protect its people, where as, Hamas uses people to protect its weapons.

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Absolutely fascinating to observe the forum infiltration in real time by professional pro-Israeli posters. Absolutely fascinating. I’d give a weeks paycheck to see the TPM tracking data on their posting points of origin.

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You’re right. TPM is absolutely critical to the survival of Israel. Without it Hamas would achieve massive victory.

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TPM serves as one of many forums for paid Israeli propagandists to incessantly post justifications for genocide. The tribal glee with which they do so is quite grotesque.

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Bullshit. Claiming Hamas can somehow conquer Israel is no different than saying the KKK could take over the U.S.

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Really? Because your Wikipedia article makes quite clear that Hamas has not accepted the initiative.

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Yes, all those Hamas weapons that in 30 years have killed less people than the number that Israel has killed in just the last 3 days! Regardless, I’m sure there’s an argument for equivocation in there somewhere!

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