Discussion: Inside The Chamber As The Senate's Obamacare Repeal Plans Went South

Special shoutout to the ones in the TownHalls and streets.

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Ryan is a very dangerous man. He won’t be happy until Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the ACA are things of the past. It is of vital importance to flip the House in 2018. He must never be in the line of succession when Trump and Pence are ‘perp walked’ out of the White House.

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I don’t understand what Judis’ point is. If the bill had passed and Ryan had “deem and passed” it in the House and Trump signed it, then the ACA would have been killed for sure. Now unless Congress acts to actually fix it, it’s in the hands of Trump’s inept misadministration. The fight certainly isn’t over, but I don’t see how any good could have come from this bill becoming law. I don’t have any mixed feelings about this.

Forcing Trump to break it through executive action is far and away the better outcome. After all, it’s much easier for a new administration to change things done by the previous executive than it is to fix things mandated by Congress as evinced by Trump’s attempted rollback of Obama’s executive legacy. Given their propensities, maybe they’ll even screw up their attempts to undermine the ACA.

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Only slightly OT, WaPo has an article out about how spectacularly the WH attempt to hold Alaska’s economy hostage to threaten Murkowski backfired:

Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called Murkowski and the state’s other Republican senator, Dan Sullivan, to threaten that the Trump administration may change its position on several issues that affect the state to punish Murkowski, such as blocking energy exploration and plans to allow the construction of new roads. “The message was pretty clear,” Sullivan told the Alaska Dispatch News.

Nevertheless, Murkowski persisted. In fact, she took it one step further and demonstrated that she has more leverage over Zinke than he has over her. As chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Murkowski indefinitely postponed a nominations markup that the Interior Department badly wants.

If she wants, Murkowski can make Zinke’s life so unbelievably miserable. He has no idea. (The Interior Department did not respond to requests for comment.)

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The cynic in me says that McCain could have prevented all this by either not coming back for the proceed vote, or standing his “principled ground” and voted no WITH his speech about regular order.

If I’m being charitable, perhaps this was a long game for him to actually kill the repeal and replace crap. Because if he had only delayed the proceed motion, it may have come back up. This way, there seems to be no other choice than going back to committee or giving up.

Unfortunately, to me, this looks like maybe he was really stung by the derision heaped on him for flying in (literally) to save the proceed motion and so decided to vote no to try to save his image…rather than really voting his beliefs.

We may never know the truth of the matter

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Schumer lit up like a Christmas tree.

Well, maybe like a menorah.

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McCain wants a bipartisan committee on healthcare. The legislative achievement he’s always been most proud of is the McCain-Feingold Act to limit the role of money in our elections. I’m guessing he’s hoping for a replay of something analogous to that in healthcare.

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What will Sarah P. say ?

Well before the vote, Democrats on the floor were smiling, and Republicans looked grim. That was a pretty good tell on how the vote would go. McConnell’s just deserts landed hard on him last night, and I’m brimming with schadenfreude today. Last night, I was so keyed up I couldn’t fall asleep until around 4am.

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While I think that McCain deserves some credit for finally growing a spine, Murkowski and Collins deserve the real credit. Without them, McCain’s principled stand would have been merely symbolic and largely meaningless. Of course it may be meaningless regardless. Dump and Price will kill the ACA through systematic malfeasance and misfeasance and Congress won’t lift a finger to stop them.

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If they do, I hope he lands on Brownback.

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall, to watch the sweet, salty tears of Cornyn, Pence and McConnell. “Oxygen thieves,” every one of them, stealing good air the rest of us could be breathing.

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I was disappointed by McCain’s yes vote on MTP, but, in the end, allowing the votes may have been good, though risky business. GOPers wanted to vote, and they got their chance and lost, which puts a period at the end of the process for the time being. They’ll have to come up with something different, probably in a more open process, or decide to work with Democrats.

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Good job, Tierney! You make it look easy.

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Yep, I have no doubt that he this is his ego and not his principles. Not that I’m complaining, lol.

What gets me about the whole “no Republicans voted for it” thing is that at the time, the Democrats had 59 senators. At 60, even the rules of the Senate concede that you’ve got as much of a consensus as you need.

Add into the equation that Democrats might have passed the ACA earlier, with 60 votes, had a) Obama not spent so much time trying to woo Republicans that we ended up losing Kennedy, and b) the Minnesota GOP not gone all-out to delay Franken from taking his seat, and the entire argument seems like total hogwash.

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I know it’s not his intention, but to me Judis is effectively a concern troll. That post said absolutely nothing that most of us don’t already know about the administration’s sabotage plans (already well underway, in fact) and the need for Dems to be in control in order to get a solid fix to the health care system (or anything else; duh). I usually scan his stuff, but honestly, I rarely get even a glimmer of fact or insight I hadn’t already found better expressed elsewhere, or even in my own head.

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Heh; the perils of running government as if it were some Mafia operation. Stupid thugs.

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Very nice write-up…best writing I’ve read. Excellent! I felt as if I were there…

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Eventually, Pence approached the huddle, shook McCain’s hand and hugged the female senators.

Pence can’t have a meal — which doesn’t necessarily involve any touching — with a woman who is not his wife (unless “Mother” is also present), but he can hug female senators?

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