Discussion: Immigration Talks Stymied By Question Of What To Do About 'Dreamers' Parents

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Hmmm. Let’s ask CPOS Kelly what he thinks we should do with them?

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The problem is solving itself. With each passing day that Trump is President, the US becomes a less desirable place to live. Eventually, we’ll become such a shithole they’ll all leave on their own.

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Republicans should ask themselves “What would Reagan do?” (grant them amnesty) or never invoke his sainted name again.

Obviously, the answer is to give them some type of legal residency and put them to work in Trump hotels.

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One thing is certain. No one should ever trust Trump and hs ICE thugs to not be exuberantly vindictive and punitive. There can be no administrative discretion here. Protect them all

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At this rate, Mexico is going to be the country trying to build a wall.

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This reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles … “We don’t want the Irish!!” … “Ah, hell … let 'em all in”.

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But several hardline Republicans in the House and Senate, many of whom also oppose President Trump’s call for a path to citizenship for Dreamers, say extending any form of legal status to parents would be intolerable.

An explicit statement that the “Family Values” people do not, in fact, actually value families. But we already knew this. “Family Values” is just a dog-whistle code word for anti-LGBT.

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Ya gotta admit, that’s the best way to make them pay for it.

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Only whites have family everyone else have crimminal elements

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The obvious solution would be to give the parents a path to legal residence and once the child is a citizen the child can sponsor his or her parents. Of course, Republicans will scream amnesty.

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Imagine a huge problem that has been ignored and profited on for years that affects millions of people, most of whom are honest, hard working salt of the earth type people. Now imagine a small group of some of the worst, most privileged, biased, and unempathetic people in the world making all the decisions about those people and their fate. Now imagine this small group of uninformed people making their decisions based on nothing to do with the millions affected but on the hatred and ignorance that fuels that own careers and election prospects.

I present to you the immigration “debate” in the US Congress.

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OK, so the Democrats are not helpless creatures at the mercy of the Republicans, even if they think they are. They can do something to define the terms of this negotiation. Just as the GOP sticks extraneous self-serving objectives into the negotiations, so can Democrats. For example, Schumer could make any deal conditional on the GOP agreeing to pass legislation to stop Trump from initiating a nuclear war (with N. Korea) without the consent of Congress. Either the Republicans agree, which would be fucking great; or they don’t, which would also be good, since Dems can then make the dispute revolve around whether or not Trump can be trusted with nukes. That’s a dispute that is about an existential matter, not about DACA. In due course, Dems could accept assurances on the issue in return for DACA relief.

Also, demand that the USA fund and take agreed-on measures to stop Russian interference with 2018 elections including paper voting. Make the whole thing about national security, and brand Ds are the party of national security–which they actually are.

Come on, people, use some initiative.

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When you have creeps like Tom Rotten in Congress, racism and hate is what you get. But just tell him that limiting Dreamer parents to landscaping and house cleaning, he’ll sign up in a heartbeat. But wait, there’s no heart there, only greed and ignorance.

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This report aligns with my own observations that the GOP has been beaten down by coverage of ICE’s tactics and wants a deal. Even Tom Cotton’s pissy comment acknowledged the legitimacy of Dreamers’ case for citizenship. If the Dems get a bill out of the Senate it will sharply divide the GOP, and I think the hand of the Kelly-Miller hardliners is weak. The issue is Ryan and his essential cowardice. Democrats have some possibility of success. I’m hoping Dreamers get protected, but short of that, I want this issue to split the GOP should hardliners be able to scuttle a deal. My sense is given worries about interest rates and debt, the GOP won’t have the stomach to have a shutdown and debt default.

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The right has come up with the Lifeboat Narrative that says not everybody is going to be allowed in the Lifeboat, so 1) we have to decide who gets in and 2) who do we get to toss off. This suggests a huge devaluation of human life and a disregard for consequences. In countries with slow-growing populations, the Lifeboat is an easier political sell, because, hey, almost full already. France’s population has increased from 25 million in the 1770s to 67 million today, so must be pretty full. The US has gone from 3 million at its founding to 325 million, an increase of two orders of magnitude, suggesting plenty of room in the lifeboat still. Especially since the long-term trend has been fairly stable. At some point, of course, the US will have to decide what is the population size it wants, but who wants to have to go through that? China did have the discussion in 1978 and ended up with two generations of one-child policy. Russia’s erratic economy, especially in the 1990s, provided very effective population stability. It’s so bad that some women must fly to New York and have their babies in Trump Tower. Democrats should support sustainable demographic trends and seek humane approaches. Also, since Trump wants Norwegians to immigrate to the US, we could start by adopting Norwegian policy, which is consistent.

White majority gets 5 more years.

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EVEN if DJT gets to lower legal immigration by half you’re right, it’s just FIVE MORE years. And I ‘am’ white. And I want this racialist bullshit to END.

Exactly! Very well put Nemo.

The Democratic Party can show what strenght looks like, but not if they lack the gonads to do it (often their default position).

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“Self deportation” in reality.

IMHO, the issue is that we don’t want to reward parents for bringing their children here illegally, but also don’t want to split the families up. The solution seems to be a probationary period for the parents - they are granted residence (green card) for an indefinite amount of time while waiting for a lottery (or a merit-based admittance) to naturalize themselves, but that green card has more of a “hair trigger” for being cancelled for various reasons. My guess is that the GOP would put a work requirement in there (parents need to be employed full time etc), although we would need to make sure any such requirement does not make them slaves to their employer (ie, losing their current job does not result in immediate deportation etc). Likewise, criminal violations are likely to be a requirement, but we also need to make sure that jaywalking or a speeding ticket are not the cause of an otherwise contributing visa-holder being deported.

Overall, if Congress can show the compassion and practicality to these parents that they showed to multinational corporations hiding their profits overseas, this will be something we can solve. I doubt the Republicans will be able to do it, as multinational corporations are who they see as people unlike these less-than-human “illegals”, but we should be pushing the similarities with how “illegal overseas funds” were repatriated.