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Not to get too think-piece-y here
No worriesâŚ
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Recall when cartoons were on the Tube and drama was in the theaters?
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Hmmmm⌠what then do you call someone who enjoys sex with multiple partners in serial or round robin fashion? Or does it matter? Iâm thinking of both men and women, not just âslutâ being a wholly female derogatory word. Nymphomaniac also seems to be a feminine deragotory word.
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Seriously, Marvel sells comic books and fantasy movies. Popcorn stuff that doesnât require any thought. Renner was hyping the movie. The little boys and young men who are drawn to comic books love pedestrian humor. Attracting them to the theater makes him money. Same with the rest of them. At least this wasnât a can batman beat superman post. Thank God for small favors.
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And as I recall it was Thor who encouraged all the other Avengers to give his magic hammer a tug. Just sayinâ.
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Hate to see Renner appearing in this crap when there are Bourne sequels to be madeâŚ
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I hate that this article was written and published on TPM.
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Yeah, the word âhumorlessâ comes to mind. He was making a joke about a fictional character in a comic book movie. Try not to make a federal case about it. Itâs doubtful he meant anything beyond making a crude remark about a character in his movie, and knew he was being slightly cheeky in the process. This wasnât part of some grand scheme to oppress women. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
And for the record, he wasnât saying that sheâs a slut for sleeping with four guys, but for sleeping with four of six friends. Thatâs a totally different story. I mean, I donât really know what âslutâ means beyond a general shaming term that I never use and Iâve never seen an Avengers film so I canât speak of this particular case, but there are strict rules against dating your friendâs friends. So anyone who has hooked up with four people in one small group is probably of questionable moral character, to say the least.
So if youâre going to take that much effort to defend the honor of a fictional character, you should at least get your defense right. In no case was Renner saying that four partners in a lifetime makes you a slut, so that whole section of the post was pointless. But sleeping with four of six friends is a different story, regardless of what term we use to describe such a person.
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UhâŚcomic book? Talk show? I took a little time out from reading how the GOP wants to gut Social Security. Iâll be getting back to reality nowâŚ
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âwomanizerâ
âgigoloâ
âmanwhoreâ
âuserâ
âpigâ
etc.
I mean, I get what the authorâs saying here, but the argument doesnât need to wax untrue in order to get the point across. People call sleep-about men all sorts of things and yeah, some men glorify it as âstudlyâ or âplayaâ when itâs a guy and some donât, so pretending thereâs this stark double-standard that exists isnât exactly trueâŚor to be gentler about it: itâs not precise, and using stereotypes to argue against stereotypes is about as disingenuous as disingenuous gets (albeit something we all tend to do). Fact is, lots of men do roll their eyes at that behavior and consider other men who do that to be pigs who give the rest of us a bad name for disrespecting women and treating them like objectsâŚopening the door for people like the author to claim that such crap is a truth of the universe when it comes to maleness, while others nod along sagely as if no justification for the generalization is required because such truths are obvious.
Frankly, I donât find it to be much different than women glorifying such behavior when itâs a woman as âsheâs empoweredâ or âliberatedâ and what not. Yeah, sure, nicer, more sophisticated sounding language than âmanwhoreâ and a whole history of oppression to give you arguments that itâs legit, but itâs still glorification of something alot of people consider to be immature and irresponsible behavior that can be both self-destructive and hurtful to those you do it toâŚand alot of people who think that donât differentiate between whether itâs a woman or a man doing it.
Am I one of them and that prudish? Not reallyâŚbut I tend towards not liking other guys giving us that bad name and am not terribly interested in someone whose past behavior makes it seem likely sheâd cheat on me as a way of proving to the imaginary demons in her head (which have since been projected onto me) that sheâs not my property.
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I think that people have a finite amount of outrage, and that anyone who invests a significant measure of that resource into an actor making a slightly bawdy joke should reconsider their priorities.
That said, the cynic in me thinks that Marcotte is cynical enough to intentionally write a clickbait article meant to stir two hornet nests rather than advocate for anything resembling a serious issue.
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891 words that lack any substance other than the authorâs own personal bias.
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YeahâŚ
This was a little heavy on the âmeaâ and light on the âculpa,â but I too often find myself thinking that about Marcotteâs pieces. (Maybe 1 in 6 or 7)
I read Amanda Marcotte somewhat regularly, but sometimes I have to pull the ripcord. Not that I think she is not coherent or making points that are actually fallacious or immoral. But I think sometimes her arguments rely a bit too much on assumptions about the collective unconscious that Iâm not sure she can do more than assert without more than anecdotal evidence.
Sociology is a complicated topic, and I think writers devoted to feminism ought to err (if they must) on the side of over-extending their arguments. It is a healthy corrective dose for a media that so often marginalizes women.
But this âretractionâ reads as someone determined to refocus and refine a criticism of a movie that doesnât pass the Bechdel test and a cast who used distasteful language during the promotional tour. How many movie criticism articles are necessary before turning attention elsewhere?
If Amandaâs point is that she would like a second crack at her media criticism so as to shoehorn her argument into existing evidence, that doesnât sound like owning âspectacularly wrong.â That sounds like repositioning to answer a different question which she asked of herself instead.
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And this is why Joss Whedon, who has written some of the strongest female characters, quit Twitter. To get away from this kind of crap. Jesus Christ, itâs fictional character in a fictional movie.
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Iâve always found the âyouâre icky if you sleep with your friendsâ idea a bit weird. Youâre supposed to only sleep with strangers? acqaintances? enemies?
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Obviously, itâs a sloooooow think-piece-y day. Very, very slooooooowâŚ
The reality is, a male superhero âconqueringâ his four female teammates on the Gender-Reversed Avengers would be getting high-fives from all his pals, not derisive nicknames.
Itâs embarrassing enough that the conversation even took place, but donât make it worse by pretending like reversing the roles would get the same response.
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As I comic book fan, I have to take umbrage with someone whining about the male-to-female ratio of superheros. Thatâs clearly an artifact of the fact that it all started many many decades ago when times were far different. Contemporary comic books tend to be far more balanced, but itâs not like you can make a good argument that they should stop doing any male superheros for a while until the ratio has approached parity. I dunnoâŚmight as well ignore the historical and cultural context of a Shakespeare play and complain that itâs outdated and glorifies misogyny in a manner that makes it unacceptable for consumption in todayâs day and age.
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