Never trust McConnell. The only way to deal with him is to fuck him over every chance you get. Why anyone would think he is some kind of statesman is beyond me. When he finally goes, the line will be long to piss on his grave.
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The Garland thing was especially egregious, but, as you say, not unique.
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Perfect!
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Article after news report after article - none, including this one, mentioning that CHIP was extended for six years as part of the deal. It doesnât fit the âtotal Dem/Schumer failureâ narrative.
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Are you including Pelosi, Clyburn, and company in this indictment?
This was a pretty short shutdown. Did anyone really notice it?
I donât see what the Trumpublicans have âwonâ. And the game is far from over. The Vikings looked great in the first five minutes the other night.
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I have done that for quite some time and my life has been way better for it.
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Thereâs a corollary: when they do the right thing, let them know as best you can.
Example is Jon Tester, who just voted against the compromise even though heâll be on the ballot in November. In Montana.
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The problem is not with the Senate. I fully expect DACA to pass in the Senate. The problem is with the house. Ryan wonât bring DACA to a vote unless he is pressured. Decoupling DACA from the CR was the real evil committed by Schumer.
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Go watch replays of Lawrence Odonnellâs program last night if you want a vague hint of the real chess game being played here.
This event is probably one of the best examples of how subtle the game gets between OUR vague perception of it and the reality on the Senate floor.
Schumer may have âlostâ a moment in this debacle, but he gained the future, in a big way.
It may actually be unprecedented. =What Shumer did when the cards fell was simply genius and one of the most efficient usurpations of power anyone has ever seen in the modern political era.
This game doesnât end with a single vote, when something profound changes, such as achieving CHIP for 6 years. it is like retrieving a hostage from a terrorist through negotiations. Yes, they still hold the DACA kids hostage, but they all have healthcare for now, at least, along with millions of other children who need it.
Without the bargaining system you all seem to despise, Republicans would have allowed NOTHING, they have opposed CHIP from its inception,and their co-opting of it was one of the MOST disingenuous acts they have perpetrated in the Trump era, and that is saying a lot. But because they considered DACA more important to resist than CHIP, they gave it up willingly, like freeing a hostage because they had another one with a higher value.
If you watch the show, pay close attention to that allegory, it explains a great deal of how Democrats have to deal with Trump Republicans. They got something out of the deal even if it wasnât everything.
All Republicans gained was another shutdown threat they will have to own if they want to dash Dreamersâ hopes, and it iwonât be wrapped up in a shroud of âsave the struggling militaryâ deception and intrigue.
Sometimes, it seems as if our left side is as stubbornly ignorant in their own way as the Trumpladytes on the right.
THINK DEEPER, PEOPLE!!! Donât let your disappointments cloud your common sense.
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At least all of the following did so: Booker, Cortez Masto, Gillibrand, Harris, Markey, Menendez, Merkley, Tester, and Warren. Others may have as well.
Calling them all âpurity poniesâ would be comical â but that wonât stop the self-appointed guardians of, well, whatever it is they think theyâre guardianing.
However, all Democrats in the Senate and the House want the same thing and the same best result here - they all want to protect the DREAMers - although they may need to take different paths and approaches to get there.
I agree, but it cuts both ways.
Itâs a good thing you took this part out:
what Shumer did when the cards fell was simply genius and one of the most efficient usurpations of power anyone has ever seen in the modern political era.
especially when our own side cuts us from the leftâŚ
Handwringers donât belong in the trenches and foxholes, they belong right here spouting bitter disappointment to each other from their computer desks.
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Thanks. The difference is ⌠not subtle.
âthe purity ponies have the gall to whine about the adults trying to manage an impossible mess that they created.â
Really? Your useless fucking âadultsâ turned over complete control of our government to the Republicans. Stop with the âpurityâ BS and man up. This is the damage your âadultsâ are responsible for. Stop making excuses.
U.S. Senate seats fell from 55 to 46.
House seats fell from 256 seats to 194.
Governerships fell from 28 to 16.
State legislative seats fell by almost 1,000.
The Democrats should have let Republicans be the party who took health care aware from 9 million children unless they caved on DACA. The political ads would have killed Republicans in 2018 and 2020. Taking away health care for 9 million children to give the wealthy more tax cuts. Republicans were to blame.They owned the CHIP funding fiasco 100%. They took away CHIP funding to use as a bargaining chip with the Democrats. It was a political gift to the Democrats had they dared to call their bluff.
Republicans never wanted to take away their health care. It was a bargaining strategy from day one. Yes, I believe they took a hostage (CHIP) and they were not prepared to shoot it. CHIP has always had bipartisan support from day one.
They looked to the Democrats to save them by appearing to cave on DACA so they could give Republicans what they wanted all alongâŚfunding for CHIP.
Shumer had to know this. He has spent his entire adult life in politics. He has never had another job after graduating from college.
Democrats saved the Republicans from themselves while possibly caving on DACA. No way the House supports DACA.
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I am all for DACA and the Dreamers, BUT, i question the optics of the Dâs shutting down the govât over this issue. We need to focus on broad principles that have direct impact on the lives of vast swaths of working Americans rather than focus on relatively narrow, yet important, issues.
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If you think this makes it âharder to elect Democrats everywhere in 2018â then you completely misunderstand the way our congressional system works. Iâm pissed that the caucus caved in the way it did, but ultimately that happened because the minority party in the Senate has very limited bargaining power. It should have been messaged much better so that we could have extracted more political/rhetorical value out of the exercise, but this was always the way this was going to work out. The lesson that the broad, activated progressive electorate must take from this is that to stop Trump and support communities like the dreamers we need to retake Congress in 2018. So letâs channel our righteous indignation into that, shall we?!
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That will assure their loss of the majority in 2018, and they wonât be able to blame Dems for it. It wonât be buried in a CR, it will be exposed for everyone to see.
NONE of our goals can really be met until this Congress is gone⌠and their DACA deceptions can only hasten that demise.
INSTANT GRATIFICATION seems to be what you naysayers want from our lawmakers, all I can say is that they created the whole entwined, seemingly inefficient system to eliminate that crude reward in the first place.
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So are the Senators who voted against and criticized the âdealâ to be dubbed âhandwringersâ now? Along with Pelosi, Clyburn and company?
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