Discussion for article #240249
So, when (not if) she again violates the judgeâs ruling that she allow her subordinates to issue the licenses, whatâs next? Iâm assuming jail and fines. Are we then stuck in an infinite loop? Davis goes to jail -> minions issue licenses -> Davis gets out of jail -> Davis orders minions to not issue licenses -> Davis goes to jail âŚ
If she is determined not to ever issue licenses, is there any remedy short of changing the law that will break the cycle?
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The Nazis, too, believed they were doing Godâs will when they used the power of the government to persecute the Jews (and, ironically enough, persecute homosexuals as well). Our Founding Fathers were smart and prescient enough to keep God out of the equation when creating our system of government. If you donât like that system of government, there are lots of intolerant theocracies around the world to choose from.
LOL!
Survivor Furious That âEye Of The Tigerâ Was Used In Kim Davis Video, Considers Suing To Protect Integrity
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We need to keep some things straight here.
Davis is NOT a martyr to an oppressive government forcing her to comprise her âreligious freedom.â
David IS the oppressive government. She is an elected County Clerk in Kentucky who is using the power of the state to deny the constitutional right to marry to certain individuals who donât meet her personal religious test.
Davis is NOT Martin Luther King. Davis is Orvial Faubus standing in the school house door. David is George Wallace standing in the university door.
President Eisenhower federalized the Arkansas National Guard and sent the 101st Airborne Division of the US Army to assure black children could go to school in Little Rock in 1957.
President Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard and ordered it to see that black students could attend the University of Alabama in 1963.
If Davis again interferes with the issuing of marriage licenses in Rowan County, Kentucky she will find herself in the custody of the US Marshallâs and back in jail. In this country, governments do not deny lawfully issued court orders citing âGodâs Willâ or the governmentâs âreligious freedom.â
That is an unconstitutional establishment of religion. We donât expect âLiberty Counselâ to see it that way. We do expect the US Supreme Court to see it that way.
If Davis were just an employee of the County Clerk and other clerks would issue marriage licenses, we could talk about making at âreligious accommodationâ under the circumstances. But Davis is not a mere employee. She is the ELECTED County Clerk. Davis IS the GOVERNMENT, There is NO accommodation available for âthe Governmentâ here â on;y obedience to the courts or the consequences of disobedience.
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Too bad the media gives these Christianist/Dominionists outsized importance and a sympathetic tone in their coverage. Would like to see the author address why the media in general seems to prop up these boneheads when the law is clear, and the separation of Church and State is the law of the land to all but the most dogmatic purveyors of these ongoing spectacles.
And btw, new word of the day for meâŚâhoosegowâ. Thanks for that one.
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Whatâs the olâ Joan Baez line: âMartyrs are best when theyâre made of stone / A saviorâs a nuisance to live with at homeâŚâ
Kim Davis is just the hypocritical attention whore who was the useful tool, or fool, looked for and found by the shyster lawyers from the Falwell arm of the American TEAliban and nothing more.
THIS is their âmartyrâ for âTraditional Christian Marriageâ? rotflmao
Favorite picture of this entire travesty.
Letâs play: "Where in the World is Cubanadian Cruz?"
^^^^ lmao
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Rethugs just cannot stop stealing songs, and they keep embarrassing themselves when the songwriters/singers slap them down.
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Keep in mind that Thomas More was a committed inquisitor and happily sent Lutheran heretics to the stake. Had it not been for Henry VIII, he could well have eventually become a kind of English âTorquemadaâ
Thomas More died in defense of an authoritarian intolerance much more powerful than a mere kingâs, however, for he died believing in God and in the authority of the pope and the Catholic Church. As Lord Chancellor, he had imprisoned and interrogated Lutherans, sometimes in his own house, and sent six reformers to be burned at the stake, and he had not done this just so that he might die for slender modern scruple, for anything as naked as the naked self. This drained, contemporary view of More, which admires not what he believed but how he believed-his âcertainty,â only-is thinly secular, and represents nothing more than the retired religious yearning of a nonreligious age. - James Wood, âEssays on Literature and Beliefâ
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Actually she is not a martyr for âmostâ christiansâŚMy Mother is hardcore babtist and she has said the over riding comments she hears at church is this woman is making a mockery of religion and that NO ONE can break the laws of this country and use religion as a reason. TPM needs to get off the âeveryoneâ bandwagon and look aroundâŚthere are no mass rallys anywhere but her lil burg in KentuckyâŚyou know the place where your sister could be your cousin or wife.
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She was able to throw a lot of weight into her martyrdom
Simple. FOLLOW THE MONEY.
The MSM LOVES Bible-Thumpers because they draw more eyeballs to their toilet paper commercials (i.e. âIf it bleeds it leads.â Face it, there is no more Journalism on TV. Only âInfotainmentâ.
âJerry Springerâ has replaced âWalter Cronkiteâ and the only thing that matters is RATINGS.
Thank Saint Ronnie the Raygun for disposing of the âFairnessâ doctrine that required the networks to have impartial, fact-based news broadcasts run by REAL JOURNALISTS, not âtalking headsâ paid to look good.
Why in 1998 FOX News successfully defended itself from a Libel lawsuit by getting the courts to agree that it was NOT a âNews Programâ but an âEntertainmentâ program, therefor it could manufacture any ânewsâ it wanted and did not have to be âfactualâ. Itâs been all downhill from there.
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Unlikely? more like that was her goal
Itâs the INTERNETâS SOCIAL HULLABALOO
The thing is, though, that Davisâ um, complex history of marriage and relationships works to her benefit among her fundie friends â in their eyes, her story is not one of hypocrisy and double standards, but one of redemption and salvation, similar to the parable of the Prodigal Son in the Bible. To her supporters it proves that sheâs the real deal.
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The only - and absolutely the only element that could make for a slightly legitimate philosophical discussion is the fact that when a marriage certificate/ license is issued by her office, it is not just- fill out a form, pay some money - and then get a plain generic state of Kentucky document. Supposedly the document has printed on it something like âIssued by Kim Davisâ and has a facsimile of her signature. Kind of like the North Carolina âElevator Ladyâ Labor Commissioner Cherie Berry - whose name & signature is on a certificate in every single elevator in North Carolina
But ⌠ultimately âŚKim Davisâs argument is specious - Kim Davis has to get it through her thick skull that she is only issuing a certificate / license for what is permitted by law - her signature only signifies that the marriage complies with the law - her action is neither an approval or disapproval of the content of the marriage - regardless of how big of a judgmental bitch that she may be! She has to separate her religious beliefs from her professional state job responsibilities.
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Actually no. The Naziâs mostly hated the Jew Jesus and SS members were quietly encouraged to leave organized religion. Himmler even dabbled with some revitalization of Nordic Wotan worship. Hitler and his chief idealogue Rosenberg perceived organized religion, esp. catholicism, as one of their main enemies.
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I hope it is not nitpicking, but
Kentucky GOP Senate nominee Matt Bevan
is actually the GOP nominee for governor this year, after he unsuccessfully challenged Sen. McConnell for the Senate nomination last year. And his name is âBevinâ, not Bevan.
âWe tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity, in fact our movement is Christian.â â Adolf Hitler, October 27, 1928
âMy feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, Godâs truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice⌠And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people⌠When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.â â Adolf Hitler, April 12, 1922
Hitler remained a Catholic all his life, and the Catholic Church never excommunicated him.
âGott Mit Unsâ (translation âGod is with usâ) emblazoned on common Nazi soldier belt-buckles during World War II.
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