Discussion: House Impeachment Vote Delayed As IRS Commissioner Agrees To Testify

“give every American the opportunity to hear John Koskinen answer under oath why he misled Congress, allowed evidence pertinent to an investigation to be destroyed, and defied Congressional subpoenas and preservation orders,”

For those who are confused about what “beg the question” means, this is a textbook example.

Begging the question is a logical fallacy in which a conclusion is based on an assumption that is as much in need of proof as the conclusion or in which the conclusion is part of the premise on which the conclusion is based.
But beg the question is just an inept translation of the Latin petitio principii and the “question” involved is not an interrogative, but refers to “the matter at hand”. It would be better expressed by “assuming the initial point” or “assuming the basis”. The original meaning is “to treat an idea as if it were true or proved when it is not”.

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Maybe he’ll accidentally post Trump’s tax records and then apologise for the mistake!

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Seems to me a timeline of events is needed. When did John Koskinen become IRS Commissioner, when did Lois Lerner’s laptop malfunction, when did all these conservative groups apply for tax exemption, when did they not receive their tax exemption, but most importantly how much educational activities did these conservative groups perform?

Just for the record not a single conservative group was turned down. IN fact the only group turned down was a liberal group. They are whining about it because the IRS took too long and kept asking questions. Poor babies.

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…and this is how the GOPper HOUSE governs…threaten a BS vote that has nothing to do with reality, get the result no matter how, take it as a win and plan your next ‘threat’. Brownshirts, all of t hem!

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Meanwhile, the Zika virus threatens to become a public health crisis in the southern states, we are racing toward a government shutdown if a spending bill is not passed, the Flint community water crisis is unabated, but hey, keep up with these witchhunts for the rubes back in the district.

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The Freedom Caucus touted the agreement in a Wednesday statement, saying
it will “give every American the opportunity to hear John Koskinen
answer under oath why he should be impeached and water-boarded on live TV.”

This is gettin’ monotonous.

He’s a WITCH!

Oh wait, wrong century? This GOP makes it hard to remember sometimes.

The whole Lerner thing happened before he became commissioner. He’s being scapegoated because (according to the reporting at TPM and elsewhere) he told congress in one communication that people at the IRS were working on recovering email messages, and then in a subsequent one that it turned out they couldn’t recover the messages because of disk failures. In other words, because he’s there/

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Just musing on future possibility- If Republicans succeed and maintain power for awhile so they can reduce the size of government, and hand over a lot of responsibilities to the states, then who will they investigate? Would they turn on each other?

@reggid

It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism is the book which explained several years ago that the repubs are at the bottom of everything that is wrong with our political process. There’s no reason to expect anything to change.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

@lastroth Would Rs turn on each other? Of course. A repub hit another repub over a house sign. Last man standing wins

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/keith-perry-apologizes-video-slapping-campaign-sign

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Actually, they put it off cause they knew they had nothing and it was easier to scream what they believe what was going on than what was actually happening. In simpler terms, they were afraid of a repeat of THIS:

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These GOP scumbags are truly vile, despicable human beings. All this grandstanding and all this trashing of a man, all for nothing but to score political points with their right-wing, anti-government base. It’s absolutely deplorable and disgusting. To borrow a phrase, have they no decency at all?

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That would be awesome.

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Yes, Norm Ornstein’s work on this subject has been riveting. He’s like the canary in the coal mine – or, rather, the dumpster fire that used to be the GOP.

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I sure hope that the Democrats on the Committee use this as an opportunity to explore the veracity of a certain taxpayer’s claim that his tax returns have been under a routine audit going back to 2009. There are a number of questions that could be asked that would not create any violation of privacy laws.

How many US 1040 filers are under audit for every year since 2009? (answer is probably none)

If there are taxpayers in this situation, what kind of factors have contributed to this extensive time frame?

The answer to these questions could turn this election upside down exposing one of the candidates as a complete fraud. It would be a shame if we missed this opportunity.

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They’ll still impeach him, because impeaching imps.