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So, the challenges were made state by state (which she supported) & when it is time for SCOTUS to decide, she is on board with them deciding that there is a right to same sex marriage too. This makes sense she said “I very shortly came out in favor of fully equality, including gay marriage.”
I’m not sure how big the shift was from that interview.
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Either you believe all Americans should have the same fundamental rights or you don’t. The Civil War is over. The yahoos lost.
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Why can’t she evolve just like President Obama did? No matter when she came to that decision doesn’t matter. What matters is that she did.
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I’m not all that certain on that.
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Probably at the point way back in human history where what was considered “perversion” was discovered to vary hugely between any two given people.
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You joined 19 minutes ago to post something so hateful?
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It’s called the 14th amendment and you are this generation’s moral perversion.
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By 2015 any major Democratic presidential candidate is expected to support marriage equality. It’s a baseline position, like support for ACA or opposition to privatizing Social Security. The fact that the issue graduated to this position within the past few years doesn’t change the fact that all Democratic presidents going forward will support marriage equality.
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Actually the Court does that fairly regularly, find that the Constitution says something that nobody believed that it does, not even the folks that wrote it.
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Civil society does not stay rigidly in place, and so our understanding of justice and fairness evolves over time. The “folks that wrote” the constitution thought it was ok for people of color to be enslaved, or counted in the national census as 3/5 of a person, or to be forbidden to marry whites. As a country we eventually realized those positions were morally abhorrent, and we no longer read the constitution as supporting them.
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I’m looking forward to the cries of “flip-flop” coming from the right, where opinions on a subject never change irregardless of the data being presented.
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Which is my fear…that they will hitch their wagon to this position, believing that people are different from what they have been in all of recorded history; and that Republicans, believing people to be the same will make the election about this, and win because of it. Thus we will get a new set of wars, over-spending, under-taxing, and a ruined economy, over a concept that is impossible and outlandish.
I’m not surprised Hillary has evolved, because it’s my impression that pretty much everyone has evolved on this issue. I remember just a few years ago when gay friends were encouraging each other and friends to oppose same sex marriage, because it was such an extreme idea, it would hurt gays politically if people advocated for it. It had to keep coming up in conversations, and eventually people started to think “why not?” I don’t hold it against Hillary, Obama, or anyone else that they opposed same sex marriage in the past. However, I believe it’s now an idea whose time has come. Although it wasn’t always true, I now consider opposition to be an indicator of bigotry. In 2016, I will not vote for anyone who opposes the right to marriage equality.
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Have you seen the polling on this issue?
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I welcome and appreciate personal growth and increased acknowledgement of a diverse, free society in any individual.
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The big problem? I think that this is still a net positive for the GOP.
They oppose same-sex marriage, and what happens? Their base becomes more devoted and there isn’t enough of a backlash to turn it into a net negative for them.
Meanwhile, for the other side, supporting same-sex doesn’t get them enough turnout (and costs them some votes).
Note, before someone goes ballistic on me I’m not saying that Democrats shouldn’t be supporting it. I’m just amazed that yet another thing that should be hurting the GOTP doesn’t actually seem to be doing so. At least not enough.
" over a concept that is impossible and outlandish."
I don’t think this person’s concerns about this issue are based entirely on election year politics.
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To be fair, the landscape has shifted A LOT since Mrs. Clinton was last asked about this. I have followed this issue closely for the last several years, and I don’t think that even the most ardent supporters of marriage equality thought that the country would be where it is now this soon. A lot of people have been caught flat-footed by this issue.
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Yes, the tipping point, once it hit, was dramatic. There was nobody* who had national ambitions who could have been honest about it if they were for it, before about 2010.
Similarly, anyone who is against it in 2020 will have to keep it quiet.
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