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I had a “distasteful encounter” with Berg when I was setting up Ted Kennedy’s Pennsylvania 1980 campaign. Berg was a strong Carter backer who kept bringing up Chappaquidick.
There’s no a politician alive who doesn’t measure her or his words when caught up like this especially by a singularly stupid “news” guy like Lemon. Trackers are listening and watching in order to trap her in her own words, and that’s why she and other cautious pols often don’t sound coherent but only evasive. The president on the other hand has no more fucks to give so he tells it like it is.
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I’ve followed the birther story for years. Phil Berg had no connection to Hillary’s campaign, other than having made a small donation to the campaign. He was already a 9/11 “truther” and known nut before then. While he filed the first lawsuit, it isn’t at all clear he started the rumors.
The story goes like this: There is a law blog called The Volokh Conspiracy, run by Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA. One day back in 2008, there was discussion of whether McCain was eligible to be President, because of his birth outside the US. An anonymous commenter raised, as a hypothetical, “What if Obama had been born in Kenya, would he be eligible?” That’s the first mention anyone can find on-line of that rumor. Whether the person believed it or was posing a hypothetical in the spirit of legal inquiry is unknown, as is their identity. It wasn’t long, however, before the rumor was picked up on various right-wing sites, which is likely where Berg got it.
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HRC campaign manager and head pollster, Mark Penn, put out a memo for how to deal with Senator Obama which included, among other things, emphasizing his otherness and playing on the fears that America was not yet ready for a Black president. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-08-27/-othering-barack-obama.
Then there was the trap the HRC campaign set up for Obama where they sent Gerladine Ferraro, a Clinton campaign surrogate, to go on every talk show and news program that would listen to point out that Obama was only doing well because he is Black. HRC was attempting to bait Obama into denouncing this as appealing to racist fears. Clinton’s people then followed up by releasing the video’s of Jeremiah Wright in an attempt to catch Obama being hypocritical. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/us/politics/12campaign.html?_r=0
Then there was Clinton’s supporters including but not limited to PUMAS who posted on every lefty blog at the time about Obama’s birth certificate, Chicago mafia ties, his affirmative action benefits, etc etc. If you google around you can still find old blogs. Does anyone remember the blogger Alegre who left the Daily Kos over this?
Whether or not Clinton was directly involved with the birther rumor her win at all costs campaign definitely created a climate where the rumor did not seem out of bounds. As an African American voter I have never forgotten the instrumental racism of her campaign and I am somewhat surprised that Clinton and Obama were able to get Democratic voters to forget this aspect of the 2008 primary campaign. I hope African American voters are reminded of this going into the current primary.
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The big question is why would she consent to be interviewed by an idiot?
Clinton has at least 10 negatives in her response (from the video, I believe there is an extra NO in there). How can anyone (Trump, Scarborough, Heilemann, Don Lemon, etc.) infer that this proves she thinks Obama is a muslim and started the whole thing? This is like Fiorina’s non-existent “proof” regarding Planned Parenthood.
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Unless a person is a mind reader, they can only know what religion someone is based on what they say and the church they attend. I accept that Mike Huckabee is a Christian because he says he is and goes to a Christian Church, but it’s possible he secretly worships Tlaloc, the Aztec rain God. But I would accept his word if he said he didn’t. I guess…
Because she’s afraid of Stephen Colbert?
May be because I am not a White Christian, I have felt that logical response to this is simply: Why does it matter if he (or anyone) is Muslim or Christian?
To assert one way or other only gives credence to some non sense or other.
Anyone who watches Joe Coffee should be ashamed to call themselves a democrat. Every show is about how many things negative they can say about Hillary Clinton. Even Senator Sanders supporters should say this is enough slandering.
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I remember all that. For me, it’s just settled into a view of Clinton as being a very Machiavellian politician. I regret sharing my vague mistrust with RWNJ conspiracy theorists, but I can’t forget. But I’ll still vote for her in the general election against any Republican in a heartbeat.
That quote is taken from 2005 (not 2008), and not only that is taken completely out of context.
In 2008, the Republicans definitely wanted the black guy as the Dem nominee, not a Clinton. They feared her much more. She was established and popular. He was a black guy coming out of nowhere.
I’d say she is more “timing” her appearance with Colbert. She’ll wait.
The MSM is in full fabrication mode again. What a fucking joke.
And I hope Jo-Sco falls into a subway well with the train incoming…with Mika not far behind.
Don Lemon is a shitstain.
That is all.
It’s from Feb of 2005, I posted the link. HRC and McCain were being interviewed, and each one said the other would be a good president…it was just a “he’s nice, she’s nice” thing. Since they were both in the Senate, probably not a good idea to trash each other, plus I don’t see where there was any hate between them.
And even if it was from 2006, so what? What does that have to do with Obama, there was no primary going on, and Obama was not even considered to be a potential candidate at that point.
Oh, McCain’s people ran with the Birther stuff after Obama got the nomination, any Republican would have, especially since supporters of HRC started it. But if you think McCain’s people would not have dug up all kinds of trash on HRC is she got it, you are mistaken. And if McCain hates Obama so much, why did he call him a decent family man and citizen during the 2008 campaign.
I agree. But the time period we are referencing is before Obama’s Presidency or the Presidential Campaign. This was during the Democratic Primaries. At that time (the relevant time), Obama was just some unknown that they definitely would have preferred to run instead of HRC.
It may not have OFFICIALLY come from HRC’s 2008 campaign but she didn’t speak against it until she was forced to when asked a question about it. And remember, Clinton said that Obama was “unelectable” which was her dogwhistle (along with her hubby saying that Obama was like Jesse Jackson) for, “No one will elect a N-word in the general election so don’t waste your vote now.” And she was the one who said spoke of her “working, hard-working Americans” voters, another dog whistle. I’ll vote for Clinton if she’s the Dem candidate because she’s better than any GOP that would win. But if you think she had nothing to do with the Dems of the Birther movement that became the PUMA movement after Obama became the Dem Candidate then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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Read my post again. I said there was no “evidence” her campaign had anything to do with it. That’s a fact.
Unreal, I have people calling me a Hillary hater for pointing out she screwed up big time on the private server, now I have someone saying I am blindly defending her on this. All I did both times is state facts, and then people project what they “think” I mean. Wow.
I live in NYC and have done some work on bridges here. I’m plenty savvy, so please don’t speculate on how clueless you think I am. Instead, pay attention to the words I typed. I would note I have said I am voting for Bernie in the primary, I am not a fan of HRC (though I do not “hate” her). But in the general, of course she gets my vote.
Liberal media and gotcha questions and so on.