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Philip Berg, a Philadelphia Democrat and attorney, started the Birther movement. He was a Clinton donor but was not part of the campaign. The Birthers started the rumor that Hillary Clinton started the Birther movement in a vain attempt to legitimize their idiotic racist baloney.

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I’m sure the nut jobs think the incriminating evidence was on her email server.

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I have been blamed for nearly everything. That was a new one to me."

Better get used to it.

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Donald Trump doesn’t write his own tweets. He has this guy named Johnnie Walker do it.

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Ergggh. As an avid Obama supporter from 2004 - today, I do remember a f*cking “awkward” non-answer to Steve Kroft in a 60 Minutes episode that was a shot 'heard ‘round the world’ in the O Campaign. It was aired the Sun night before the Ohio primary & we re-doubled our efforts to beat her campaign. Never looked back at her fondly after that. Until the past 2 years…

I AM a Democrat, I will likely support HRC. I have been appreciating w/caution this refined version of her on the trail, retaining her confidence & a collectedness without the anger/arrogance. Learning from experience is, after all, intelligence. I do not wish that piece of tape out there but, if it surfaces, I hope Sec. Clinton is prepared to field it with humility & graceful regret. Leadership, HRC. We expect it. YOU GO GIRL.

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Good to see that Heilemann is willing to slander Clinton without bothering to provide any evidence.

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Fred Clark has a good post today on this kind of thing. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/09/22/the-larger-pattern-of-truthiness/

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I wouldn’t be surprised if her campaign did start the rumor, but I would like to see the evidence.

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Transcript of the 60 Minute interview where Joe Scarborough says Hillary started the Obama is a Muslim rumor:

CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that’s–you know, there is not basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn’t any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: And you said you’d take Senator Obama at his word that he’s not a Muslim.

CLINTON: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don’t believe that he’s a Muslim or implying? Right.

CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

KROFT: It’s just scurrilous –

CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.

(most videos cut off after Hillary’s “as far as I know” remark and don’t include the next exchange)

Link:Hillary Clinton, 60 Minutes, and the Muslim question | Media Matters for America

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So Trump claims HRC started the movement he’s so proudly joined? “Don’t attack me because of this insane shit – Hillary believed this insane shit first!”

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What is it, 40% of Republicans don’t think Obama is an American? If that was started by Hillary then I wish she’d start a rumor that climate change is caused by fossil fuels.

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Do you have any source information?

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She is so used to it that she tends to blow it off when she might better be served by a vociferous response a la Trump.

As in : The only reason that this has come up now is that Trump is lying about me to try and get out of the trouble he got in when he revealed his bigotry.

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Faux is counting on people to feel exactly as you do.

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When it comes to Hillary where there is smoke, there is a Republican smoke machine.

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Thank you very much for that, it puts a very different light on the clips we’ve always seen. I certainly thought myself she left that “as far as I know” hanging at the end. God knows interviews are edited to spice them up a bit, but they really did make a defense sound like a surreptitious attack.

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They shouldn’t count on me. I just did a little digging and discovered the first poster is correct. The origins of the birther movement have been extensively researched. There is clear evidence that they start with a Clinton supporter, but there is no evidence connecting the movement to her or her campaign. Maybe Don Lemon should have done a little digging.

Of course, it is always possible that somebody in the Clinton campaign made the suggestion to the supporter but there is no recorded linkage.

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The Birther movement was started by diehard supporters of Hillary, but it was not linked to her campaign. This is well documented, her supporters started it.


The Republicans feared Hillary much more than Obama, they were not looking to smear Obama at that point. It was only when Obama got the nomination that the Republicans jumped on that, and of course they have not let go since.

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Love the wording of Lemon’s question–“I have been reporting this as true. Care to respond?” But he would have been even better asking “Did you ever stop calling the President a Marxist Kenyan?”

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