Discussion for article #246975
I fear a lot of Mitt-like flip flopping from Hillary after the primaries are over.
Hopefully she learned from his mistakes.
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âI just said that. There were some aspects of it that worked well, the violence against women provisions have worked well, for example,â Clinton said. âBut other aspects of it were a mistake and I agree. Thatâs why I am focused and have a very comprehensive approach towards fixing the criminal justice system, going after systemic racism that stalks the justice system, ending private prisons and ending the incarceration of low-level offenders and I am committed to doing that.â
But the Violence Against Women Act was not what Hillary set out to tout on the campaign trail:
The Violence Against Women Act is what Sanders voted for and spoke for.
Its interesting to contrast Sanderâs contemporaneous words with Clintonâs above:
Speaker, a society which neglects, which
oppresses and which disdains a very significant part of its
populationâwhich leaves them hungry, impoverished, unemployed,
uneducated, and utterly without hope, will, through cause and effect,
create a population which is bitter, which is angry, which is violent,
and a society which is crime-ridden. This is the case in America, and
it is the case in countries throughout the world.
Mr. Speaker, how do we talk about the very serious crime problem in
America without mentioning that we have the highest rate of childhood
poverty in the industrialized world, by far, with 22 percent of our
children in poverty and 5 million who are hungry today? Do the Members
think maybe that might have some relationship to crime? How do we talk
about crime when this Congress is prepared, this year, to spend 11
times more for the military than for education; when 21 percent of our
kids drop out of high school; when a recent study told us that twice as
many young workers now earn poverty wages as 10 years ago; when the gap
between the rich and the poor is wider, and when the rate of poverty
continues to grow? Do the members think that might have some
relationship to crime?
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people
in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and
sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order
to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the
neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of
priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future
of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence.
Big bold brave words that bucked the fear-mongering and race-baiting used by so many at the time.
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If you want to go that route, there is Bernieâs vote re: gun control and supporting the manufacturers. Funny how Sanders supporters conveniently ignore that.
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The initial bill that Sanders voted for didnât contain an assault weapons ban. That was later added by the Senate.
Misleading headline. 100% clickbait bullshit.
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Sorry, but Sanders voted for the crime bill. As did the majority of the Black caucus.
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And was reconciled and Sanders voted for the reconciled bill.
Nice try.
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I thought that just about everyone was in agreement that the crime bill was flawed and has done great damage to many and mostly to blacks. This seems like one of those âgotchaâ questions.
Isnât part of the appeal of Hillary in the fact that she and Bill can make amends, can fix what was done wrong then and can do it right with the benefit of hindsight?
They have a personal interest in this, their namesake and the fact that it goes against what they are for. The same with the financial industry.
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Yes, but heâs using the assualt weapons ban as a reason for voting for the bill when he voted for the version that didnât contain that provision.
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I see, so only the cherry picked things Sanders voted for you like count, but we must attack Hillary Clinton for all the cherry picked things that had unintended consequences in a bill she didnât even vote on, which both candidates agree needs to be changed and modified, and even though Clinton laid out specifics that needs to be changed to the 22 year old law.
Got it.
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I think Sander has his Rick Lazio moment tonightâŚtelling HRC to practically âshut itâ while he talks?
Is Sanders simply grumpy or incorrigible in always wanting to have the last word!!
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If that is for me, my point is that Sanders is being disingenuous at best when he claims that one of the reasons he voted for the 1994 Violent Crimes Control and Law Enforcement Act is because it banned assualt weapons when he voted for the initial House bill that didnât have such a provision.
I apologize if I expressed myself poorly.
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My bad for misunderstanding where you were going with your comment. We seem to be saying the same thing.
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and what about nafta?
I love how she casually calls millions of lives ruined,and families devastated âa mistake.â
Like buying the wrong size shoes or something.
It seems to me like Bernie cherry-picked his way through the entire debate. On several issues, he said that there were good things in a bill but he voted no because of the bad things. But on others, it was exactly the opposite. He has a tendency to speak in absolutes, but his record is pretty mushy when it comes down to the details.
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But weâve made it awfully difficult for people in government to acknowledge that an action was unwise, had unintended consequences, seemed like a good idea at the time and so forth. The acknowledgement becomes a weapon opponents can use against you. If she used the language youâd consider more accurate a candidate like Cruz or Trump would be beating her over the head and shoulders with it fifteen times a day for the rest of the year. She said it was a mistake, sheâs proposing to fix it, I can live with that.
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Amen to that!
No s##t Hillary. But guess what! If youâre the party nominee, Iâll still vote for you.