Discussion: Hill Progressive Leaders Come Out Against Obama's AUMF: 'Too Broad'

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How about these cowardly little dems and all repubs do the job they were elected to doā€¦Fix the language and vote on itā€¦They are all AFRAID to take a voteā€¦Kick them all out for stupidity and cowardice!

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This kind of shit is why I donā€™t self-identify as Democrat.

Yeah, I vote for them because Iā€™ll take weak over evil, but Iā€™m not gonna burden myself with their flaccidity.

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Which kind of shit, the progressiveā€™s kind or the Presidentā€™s?

This is very important and needs to be worked out and that shouldā€™ve happened long ago but it still needs to be done and done right.

Are you after war declarations or threats, what?

I think the Presidentā€™s plan was broad intentionally, knowing that it would be gone over and adjusted and that that is as it should be. He isnā€™t supposed to be going this alone or even starting the damn bills. He is merely leading by example and the constant opposition has no understanding of such things.
So if the Prez goes pie in the sky, it leaves plenty of room to maneuver over, under and sideways to achieve the actual goal and to do this through the intent of our framers. You know, that constitution thingy.

Go Barack!

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So, Speaker Boehner, the president you want to sue for executive overreach, who acts like a dictator and is crapping all over the Constitution, has now " tied his own hands and wants to tie his hands even further " ?

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That was so last week Randy, what are you thinking?

But, keep it on hold because next week is a new week and the spin comes around pretty fast.

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Iā€™m a strong supporter of both the campaign against Daesh and the campaign against al Qaeda, and I find the Progressive Caucusā€™s position quite reasonable. They arenā€™t insisting on anything that would shut down either campaign, or even limit it beyond what the President has already said he intended to do.

Good for them.

Boehnorā€¦isnā€™t it time to just call a spade a spade? Boehnor couldnā€™t care less about ISIS. He knows it poses no threat to the USA just as all his GOPā€™er buddies do. He wantā€™s the ISIS issue and the opportunity to make political points from it.

Read his quote above. Is that consistent with a man that wants to go after ISIS and understands its the Presidentā€™s job, with the help of Congress, to get that done? No its not. Itā€™s a political jab. Because thatā€™s all Boehnor is capable of. I havenā€™t seen a policy proposition from Boehnor in a long time. No one has. Itā€™s all political quips and jabs from that man.

Itā€™s an easy thing to do. Just listen to the American people.

No boots on the ground anywhere in the Middle East. Ever.

If they run from their own fightā€¦we go home. We will help them. We will not do the entire thing for them.

Clean up is theirs. No American rebuilding or nation building.

We do it one time. Then itā€™s their baby. No matter how much it falls apart once placed in their hands we stay OUT. We donā€™t do seconds.

America will place itā€™s priorities and needs FIRST. We will not sacrifice the lives of our young people for an ungrateful or treacherous people. As soon as we are betrayed they get a fist in the face and they can keep their ISIS.

Religion and culture stay out of it. We are not there to ā€œunderstand their cultureā€ or to help them understand ours. Americans really donā€™t care about all that culture crap. Keep religion out of the way. They get one flub on that one and we are out.

Thatā€™s the only thing the American people want.

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The diehard progressives. Fuck 'em. They can be as unrealistic as the teatards on some issues.

ISIS is a real problem. Itā€™s not a fake problem like Iraq was. It needs to be eradicated.

Really?

Spell out the language they think is workable to go after ISIL, al Qaeda, etc. we all agree should be targeted.

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Let me guessā€¦the porridge will vacillate between ā€˜too hotā€™ and ā€˜too coldā€™ until a fermented mess explodes from the bowl?

OK, did they say that they donā€™t want to do that? The Presidentā€™s proposal is too wide open and lacks some definition on key issues, he basically seems to be saying, here Congress, take the ball and run. The progressives will get input, naturally, and so will the teabagging right. At least the progressives have ideas based on reality and that fit in rather than just another twisted attempt to hurt Obama.

Yeah, upon occasion the hard right is also unrealistic but not about this, IMO.