Discussion: Heated Arguments Fire Up First 8 Hours Of House Panel's GOP Tax Plan Debate

Few people have summed up the sheer viciousness and zealotry of the GOP tax plan like Cong. John Larson of CT, seen in your picture. Here is his condemnation of what the Republicans are doing with this bill (Trumpcare revisited essentially)

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The PROBLEM with this ‘tax plan’ is the barking about the ‘average middle class taxpayer’ and what they ‘should’ see…all the while getting rid of exemptions, putting taxes on goods and services ONLY the middle class uses. They try and give with one hand and take with the other and cut cut cut for the 1%…the poor people are on their own.

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Can we get some coverage of facts like this, from Bloomberg:

The six largest U.S. banks could see net income rise $6.4 billion, or 7 percent, if President Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress can push through their proposed corporate tax rate cut.

One of these banks is Wells Fargo, said to be the biggest beneficiary of this so called Middle Class tax cut. Not bad for a corporation that screwed thousands by opening fake accounts and received a little slap on the wrist for it.

We would have more traction (in my opinion) if we could hang this fact around the neck of this tax cut.

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Why is no one bringing up KANSAS?!? Brownback’s draconian reorg of Kansas’s treasury has nearly RUINED this state- and don’t take my word for it- look it up!

The GOP fantasies since Reagan (except for interns and secretaries)- run gov’t like a business (and how’s THAT workin’ out for ya?) and tax cuts for rich cronies help the little people.

BAH!

Run for office- the 2018 elections are just a year away! And if Trump and Louie Gohmert can get elected what’s to stop a qualified candidate?

Become a Precinct Committee Officer, sometimes it’s a Ward officer. You’ll meet with neighborhood Dems and get out the vote. Find good citizens willing to run for office.

Register people to vote. If you need to help people overcome the GOP-led Voter run-around help them do that.

Run for School Board. Make sure Civics is being properly taught. Think a majority of America knows how government works? Just 26% of eligible voters in America voted for Trump and half of eligible voters stayed home last November. Today’s 12-year olds will be voting for President in 8 years.

Run for Mayor, City Council, County Commissioner, Borough Assembly.

Get appointed to your Planning Commission. Know everything going on in your community.

Run for State Legislature or Congress. The next census is in 2020, just over 2 years from now, then we’ll redraw Congressional Districts. Get rid of GERRYMANDERING! Safe GOP seats gave us such intellectual giants as Louie Gohmert and Steve King. In most cases it’s the state Legislature that draws Congressional boundaries. Make it FAIR, OPEN and HONEST!

Overturn Citizens United. Money is NOT speech and Corporations are NOT people- at least not until Texas executes one.
Overturn any voter ID laws that are clearly an attempt to disenfranchise.
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The Ds have to make the objections to the whole idea VERY simple, since the R tax plan is intentionally complex, like a shell game. The Rs tout the “doubling” (although not quite) of the standard deduction, but they take away the personal exemption which pretty much balances out for some, screws others but mostly just creates talking points to confuse the media and the public.

The Ds’ message should focus on the shell game for the middle class, while CERTAIN benefits for big business and the wealthy. Meanwhile, for everyone who gets a tax cut, they or someone else will lose some of their home value because the property tax and mortgage debt deductions for those who itemize rather than take the standard deduction makes their home less of a tax haven. So really, the R tax plan just give people a tax break (maybe) but takes that money from their the value of their home.

That’s why home builders and real estate agent groups are so against this and they should be and are actually work on our behalf.

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the Dem message should be that this is NOT tax reform; it’s an adjustment of the tax code to benefit the richest.

Keep it simple

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That would be the Wells Fargo that apparently is included in the Paradise Papers dump, the WF that created millions of bogus credit card accounts for its customers without their knowledge and sold them insurance on their WF financed cars without telling them, in many cases resulting in their failure to pay premiums and winding up losing their cars…THAT WF. Nothing is too good for these weasels it appears.

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If the Repugs are so confident that this is a Job Creating Machine, why not tie all corporate tax breaks to the condition that each company getting such breaks must end the Federal Year with nn% more payroll to nn new jobs at non-executive positions?

No fiddling the books by laying off one high-paying position and hiring two at entry-level.

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do you know what helps struggling families living paycheck to paycheck?
Infrastructure - the roads and bridges that they go to and from work on
functioning public schools that are decently funded
fire and police departments that are decently funded
clean air to breath and water to drink and bathe in
libraries, national parks - places to recreate and pursue their right to happiness and liberty
the security and safety of knowing that they are citizens of a country with the same rights as the wealthy and powerful

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It is also the media’s job to point out where these policies have been enacted and the consequences thereof

which they will not

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And this is why we’re screwed. Because no matter what the facts are, AP will still lead with “Republicans say, Democrats say.”

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Chained CPI is in this bill, where is AARP?

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We have nothing to lose by taking the Larson approach. We have a lot to lose by being measured in tone, vs shouting the facts. It’s not about turning the R’s, it’s about inspiring the non-voting D’s & I’s to get up and do it.

And it’s about trying to overcome the strange destruction of the message by the Warrens and the Braziles and the VanJones-es. Warren’s “yes” was a knife in my gut… Of all people, she had to hand a howitzer to the enemy.

I go with the Lieu/Larson way. With friends, relatives, and strangers.

I live a block from Trump’s Russian tower in NYC. There’s a guy that hangs out across the street on 5th (where all the MAGAhat selfies get taken) and he has a 3 foot sign that’s a pile of dogshit with google eyes and a trumpwig on it, and he photobombs the selfies. He’s inspiring :sunglasses:

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OK… I’m now dying to know who the congressional Oompa-Loompa is in the picture at the top of this article.
I’m glad he could find a meaningful avocation after leaving the candy factory.

" T.r.i.c.k.l.e …D.o.w.n " –

The last words uttered …with the last breath …

of the dying elephant —

As long as the wealthiest individuals and businesses continue to stash monstrous sums of cash in overseas tax havens, THEY SHOULD NOT GET ANY MORE TAX BREAKS. Hoarders don’t stop hoarding when you give them more things to hoard. This is simple. These are the basic ABCs. What are our chances of keeping this bullshit tax proposal from getting passed?