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Americans Are Healthier Since O-care, Especially Minorities and Low-Income
RWNJs: See, just like we said, it’s a really bad idea.
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Not the GetSickDieQuick outcome the GOTP want.
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I can’t help but think we’d face less resistance from Republicans if we planted stories that O-care was saving tax money by secretly denying services to minorities.
Normally I’d call that underhanded but hell, their own trusted “news” sources already lie to them so I don’t even think I’d feel bad about it.
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This is exactly what they didn’t want to happen!
Gop/bags heads explode in three, two…
Additionally, the study compared the experiences of those in states that had participated in the Affordable Care Acts’s Medicaid expansion prior to March 2015 against those in the 22 states that did not. It found that there was a greater reduction (by a difference of 5.2 percent) of the uninsured rate for those in Medicaid expansion states, as well as greater gains in access to doctors and medicine, than those in non-Medicaid expansion states.
NO WAY…THAT"S INCREDIBLE!!!
Medicaid, expanded or not, is an entitlement program given “for free” to the recipients. So this study essentially tells us how the number of expanded medicaid eligible people who were uninsured prior to the ACA implementation, has dropped significantly after receiving “free” health insurance. The contrary would be surprising, wouldn’t it? I mean, who is going to refuse “free” health insurance?
Yes, expanding Medicaid, and in so doing promoting more cost-effective medical treatment – preventative as opposed to expensive emergency room service – increases access to medical care.
Your point?
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I’m sorry, but I don’t buy the notion that a few thousand people using the emergency rooms cost more than providing “free” access to doctors and hospitals for millions of people who, being the service “free”, will now probably using it indiscriminately.
But the point of the article was something different and I already made my point above.
Most Republican governors?
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A few thousand?
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1 - I, for one, don’t give a crap what you buy or not –
2 - Sure hope that you’re not a professed christian – Your apparent “lack of faith” is showing –
Some would deem that hypocritical –
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Those minorities and low income people, they are Americans too. Repubs forget about that when their waxing Americana.
And, Medicaid saves lives, I know this one personally and that is another thing the Repubs like to forget about.
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Well, you should!
Contrary to the meme that giving away “free” health insurance is a great way to reduce ER visit by uninsured people, the contrary is proving true: ER visits are on the rise despite the ACA supporters promises.
Yes, it’s a matter of educating people, which takes some time. But education works, as we have seen with smoking and are now seeing with obesity. Why are you so impatient? What is your alternative solution? Crickets…
From the website you link to:
¨A study shows that ER visits have increased as more people have gotten coverage under the Affordable Care Act. This expected short term outcome isn’t ideal, but speaks to habits of the previously uninsured, the fact that ER visits are covered under the ACA, and an increased doc shortage as demand outpaces supply in the short term.
In the long term the healthcare provider workforce would be expected to grow and as people got used to having insurance more insured Americans would rely on primary doctors, urgent care, and other non-emergency solutions
Emergency room visits may be up, but today more people are using insurance to pay for visits rather than simply sticking hospitals with unpaid bills.¨
Sounds like a real disaster, this Obamacare.
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These two sentences you quoted from that article are in evident contrast to each other:
First, educating people who are used to get instant relief by visiting the ER vs making an appointment with regular doctors, days or weeks down the road, will take a very long time if it ever happens.
Second, doctors shortage isn’t a short term issue, a lot less people chose that profession and a lot less MDs are coming out of college. Moreover, a growing number of doctor offices refuse to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients and that will increase, not decrease, the number of people covered by Medicaid going to the ER.
I ask again, not with much hope of an answer, what is your alternative, other than educating patients and training more primary care doctors, both of which would be needed in any scenario.
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I note you conveniently left out the first part of the quote, ¨In the long term the healthcare provider workforce would be expected to grow.¨ Surprisingly, when you have 11 million show up for health care when they had none, there is a supply issue. I’m sure that Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand will swoop in to correct the imbalance as soon as possible. Or do you think that we should have all the extra healthcare workers in place before we let people have healthcare?
First of all it’s not my job to provide alternative solutions, people who have been voted in office because they promised us solutions are those you need to ask your questions. I can come up with all the solutions I can think of but it won’t change a thing, I’m not in charge. That doesn’t mean I will be silenced, I will speak my mind to those who are trying to blow smoke up my rear end and spew lies.
Now I have a question for you: How do you think we can educate people on the proper way to use their “free” health care? How do you propose we force people to become primary doctors when that profession is becoming less and less palatable to new generations due to the high cost of education, high malpractice insurance premiums, low Medicaid and Medicare insurance disbursements?
Conveniently left out? How is the “healthcare provider workforce would be expected to grow.” when less and less people are interested in taking up the medical profession? I’ll ask you the same question above to @RadicalCentrist
¨Medical School Applicants, Enrollment Reach All-time Highs.¨
Of course, this was in late 2013, but if you have any figures later that support your point, I’d be happy to see them.
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