Discussion for article #233355
Amazing, now if something happens more than this, I’ll smile
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OMFG…no provocation, nothing. And then the way they treat him as he’s obviously exhibiting signs of either/both head trauma and/or spinal trauma. They shouldn’t have moved him a fucking inch and should’ve called in an ambulance instantly. These fuckers ALL belong in prison…at least the perp does. The other two are clearly completely and utterly incompetent as far as first aid and being “first responders” goes and they need to be suspended and forced to perform additional training. Their treatment of him while injured makes them the very last people I’d ever want showing up on a 911 injury call.
If you think this incident, with the gratuitous tripping/body slam to make a “point”, is an exception to the rule, you’re not paying attention.
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I suggest emailing the police chief larry muncey at: larry.muncey@madisonal.gov. I did. Tell him what you think about his officer and training.
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Yeah, well, you know those Indian grandfathers can be real badasses. WTF!? Course his skin tone suggests a thuggish tendency, so best show him who’s boss. These cops need to experience some real pain themselves - from the bench!
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The individual who placed the 911 call in the first place should be given thousands of hours of community service taking care of the victim.
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“He don’t speak a lick of english.” so therefore I HAD to slam him to the frozen ground.
Also you notice how the (hopefully ex) cop looks over to the patrol car and visibly gulps when he realizes he’s on film. Yeah we see you buddy–we see you clar as day.
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No video, No incident. Just sayin.
He. Was. Resisting.
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Seriously. “Sorry man…if you hadn’t a got caught…”
Besides the event and consequences, one of the many other things I hate about these episodes is how when you go to a site without a hermetically-sealed comment community like this one, there is no victim so innocent that he or she won’t be blamed for the episode.
It’s a pretty common phenomenon–one trial lawyers have to deal with in tort jury trials constantly. some people just need to blame the victim for his or her misfortune because that emotionally distances them from the event and lets them tell themselves “it couldn’t happen to me.” But it’s still amazing to me how no one is sufficiently blameless to be spared the pile on from those who need to do it.
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What a country…another event to mark our slow descent into the new dark ages.
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All a bigot or xenophobe needs to do these days for a sick thrill is call 911 and report a minority or foreigner walking in an upscale (Caucasian dominated) neighborhood. Allege you’ve observed them doing something suspicious. Be prepared to describe it in a lurid, frightening manner. Press play and watch the atrocities.
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I was reading a comment board that was mostly on the cop’s side, and several people including self-described cops said that the cop here didn’t do anything wrong, because he was just following proper police procedure for taking control of the situation. And all I could think was how this not only didn’t excuse the cop, but only helped showcase how terrible our police procedures are. Because if you have to use violence to take control of a situation, you’re not in control. You’re part of the problem.
And this is really what we keep seeing over and over, of cops using violence and pain as their first step in controlling any situation they’re in. And if the person they’re talking to doesn’t act scared of them, then the goal is to make them scared by threatening and hurting them. And if they do absolutely anything to defend themselves, then they’re resisting and need more pain until they finally give up and allow the cop to have complete control. And this isn’t just a situation of rogue cops. This is how they’re trained and what they’ve been doing for years, and it’s just now becoming obvious since there are so many cameras around to showcase it. We don’t just need better cops, we need better procedures.
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What was the probable cause for the stop? He didn’t have his hands in his pockets.
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Think you’ve got that backwards, Serge. The fact that this cop got arrested for it shows that things are getting better, not worse. I mean, seriously. You think it’s a new thing for Alabama cops to injure dark skinned “suspects” and then blaming them for it?
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What you’re suggesting would make for some pretty boring episodes of “Cops” on TV. You’re obviously un-American.
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The probable cause was that a 911 caller described him as a black guy and said he was snooping around the neighborhood, and he was worried for his wife and family. But that alone wasn’t reason to search the guy. All they had to do was talk to him and figure out that he didn’t speak English, and they’d eventually have learned that he was visiting his son who recently moved into the neighborhood. But since they thought they were dealing with a black burglar, they skipped that step and went right into forcing a search and then slamming the guy on the ground for not cooperating.
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Makes you wonder how folks manage to get massive verdicts in suits like the class actions against big tobacco, eh?
To be fair, I think there’s a little bit of a difference between the tort/med-mal thing and these police beatings in terms of the willingness to blame the victim, particularly in light of the racially charged nature of the police beatings. There’s that real element of obeisance to authority involved in these police incidents, coupled with the “uppity ornery browny wouldn’t just do what as he was told by his betters”, which makes for a heady brew of victim blaming. Of course, the bigots and racists don’t want to admit that there’s a huge bigotry/racism element to their analysis or the incident itself because they don’t want it to get spotlighted and stopped. I dunno that it’s all present in quite the same way towards a doctor and patient in a medical malpractice case or some manufacturing defects case. The authority element just isn’t the same and the victims are generally more sympathetic after losing life or limb for someone else’s screwup. When it comes to the pigs though, “you mussa been doin’ something wrong in the first place if they was stoppin’ ya.”
But I suppose that’s just it, isn’t it? “It couldn’t happen to me”…or perhaps even more accurately “It wouldn’t happen to me.” They don’t want to admit or recognize that, in fact, the reason it wouldn’t is because they’re a white person who isn’t going to get approached for no reason, who isn’t going to elicit overreactions and violence at the drop of a hat due to police predispositions towards brown people as inherently scary and dangerous, who isn’t going to get the kind of “reminder” they gave this Indian grandfather because the jury will be less likely to blame the white victim or assume he had it coming because he must have been doing something wrong in the first place.
I’ll never forget sitting on a jury for a rape case. That was the first issue they asked about to the general jury pool and it sent a lot of people home right off the bat who admitted that they figured the accused simply must have been doing something wrong to end up in this situation in the first place.
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Clearly they showed some restraint - when the suspect failed to stand up on command, it could have been seen as sort of a form of resistance, which the officer might have found to cause a concern for safety - creating a need to subdue the suspect with three bullets to the head.
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Welcome to America, Grandpa.
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