Discussion: Grandpa Gets Jail Time For Leaving 5-Year-Old Girl In Desert With A Gun

Clearly just a responsible gun owner and caring grandfather. Or more likely early onset of Alzheimer or some other form of dementia.

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My Grandpas were never this much fun.

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Guy needs to be dropped in the middle of Death Valley in July with just a gun.

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This guy gets 6 months for an act of gross neglect involving a gun and abandonment that the child nevertheless survived. Yet every week of the year someone leaves a child alone in a house, or a room of the house, with an unsecured weapon that the child uses to kill themselves. And quite often no criminal charges are even leveled. The parent(s) walk. Dead child—no consequences. Child survives–6 months in jail. American justice.

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There was a time when “a responsible gun owner” was a real thing - and “a responsible gun owner” was adamant about following all aspects of gun safety - none of this lunatic 'wild-west / galloping frontiersman" cartoonish irresponsible mentality - what is it with these dunces who treat loaded guns like they were fashion accessories or cell phones or a a set of car keys? or just toss them around like they were a bag of chips.

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Sounds like an alcohol (or insert drug of choice) related incident to me.

Hey, but there were coyotes. And maybe snakes.

Guns are inherently dangerous. Gun owners predominately claim they’re needed for protection, with less emphasis on hunting or target practice/recreation. Yet for a gun to be readily accessible to the degree it is almost instantly in your hands for protection it has also manifestly become accessible to children, criminals, angry spouses, enraged employess, etc. Otherwise it’s locked in a gun safe, with a trigger lock, and out of reach and unavaialble to all the above. You can’t possess a gun and truly utilize it for the sudden need to deter or kill an intruder or aggressor AND assure that same gun won’t be put to criminal use or fall into negligent hands. Even cops have them wrestled from the holsters on their belts, and they’re trained and drilled to keep their weapons in their personal control. The proliferation of guns in our society isn’t going to be less damaging because everyone suddenly becomes a “safe, responsible gun owner”. You are only as responsible as the people around you permit. If you’re carrying a gun and they want it, they may often find a way to get it. Take it from you. Break into your home or car. Whatever. Unless it’s locked in a safe your level of responsibility is somewhat out of your control, if your purpose in owning it is for personal protection in your home or out in public.

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Family values.

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This is exactly why I won’t ever own a handgun. I am not very strong, and I have no doubt that it would be taken away from me if I tried to use it.(My ex terrorized me in his meth-fueled rages with a .38 Special, the main reason I won’t have one in my house…)

Now a shotgun is another matter, it would be a more reasonable weapon for home defense.

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They actually put someone jail for that in Arizona? In Maricopa county, no less?

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You have children in the home. You want the gun to be instantly available for use if your front door is splintered off the hinges by a criminal’s kick. Or you enter a room and someone is climbing through a window. That shotgun has to be within easy, unencumbered reach. Loaded. Without a trigger lock in place. How do you sit on the back porch in the summer and sip tea with 4 kids in the living room watching cartoons? Carry the damn gun from room to room in the house, down to the drive to get the mail, out back strapped to the riding mower while cutting the lawn? Kids are curious. If it’s within reach they’ll investigate it. And play with it.

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Rater told them he left the girl under a tree with a gun when she couldn’t walk anymore.

Unless your 5-year-old granddaughter weighs 125 lbs, you pick her up and carry her, for fuck’s sake.

He was planning on her dying—whether by exposure, dangerous animals, or by her own hand with his gun—while he ate a hamburger and had a couple of Bud Lites.

I’d bet a big box of money that this cretin routinely rails about filthy Mexicans and blacks having no family values.

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This is how effective NRA propaganda is. They’ve convinced a grandfather that his 5-year-old granddaughter is safer with a loaded gun than without. In what sane world would anyone believe this?

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Yup!

Just teachin’ the kid to be self-reliant!

When you fire a shotgun, it produces a huge “kick”. If you are concerned about your ability to use a pistol, you should also be concerned about a shotgun.

You are correct- if I had children in the home I would not want any weapons. I was only thinking of a shotgun being not as easy to take away from me before I could use it…