Discussion: Graham: ‘Moral Of The Story Is Don’t Nominate Somebody Like Roy Moore’

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Don’t nominate somebody like Roy Moore??? Too late. You did and he is now President of the United States.

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Sure glad we have Graham on television to give us clear thinking on the state of politics in the United States.

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It’s your Party that nominated Roy Moore, Linz.

You can cry if you want to, but it’s not going to change the fact the Republican Party is now the happy home of Nazis, generic racists and child molesters .

And of course there is all the usual whining and finger pointing that the Democrats are somehow worse.

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Jones would be a disaster!

And besides, he’d be one more vote for impeachment!

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Show me any difference between Moore and Dolt 45, Miss Lindsay…

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Yes!

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Moral of the story is that the Republican Party ran off the rails decades ago, and you morons are just realizing you’re in the ditch.

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The gop needs to stop acting like they have a problem with Moore because if he wins they will welcome him with open arms. The only issue they have with him cause he is bannon guy

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Too late Lindsay…too late.
The GOP nominated him
He is all (every last morsel) yours.
And as you yourself said (paraphrasing now) “If he loses we lose, if he wins it’s even worse”
The beauty of this is you GOPers did it to yourselves with no help from rational people.

SCHADENFREUDE IN A CAN

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Am I the only one that see that the Republican party from the top to the bottom has a problem with vetting? I mean we have a POTUS who keeps trying to keep out the bad hombres, the sick dudes, those who would hurt us, and they can’t even do more than a cursory check on one of their own candidates. For a party that has made itself into the Family Values Party, the Party of the good Christian folk they sure do have a problem members who talk of the good book but walk with the devil.

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Most of the Moore type GOPers (and that seems to be the majority of the GOP today) think the ditch is the right place to be.
I would think the ditch, with the auto of state (to stretch a metaphor) firmly stuck in muck would be a difficult place to govern from.

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Family values party huh?

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It is almost as though Al Franken’s approach of facing his behavior like a man and Roy Moore’s whinny and weak denials are in juxtaposition. The compare and contrast is going to be very telling for those judging both. My guess is the evangelical “Christians” are going to come away from this ashamed of themselves. Their holier than thou smirks will be permanently erased.

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The gop is worried if a bannon backed guy wins then they know bannon might cause real trouble for them in 2018

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That’s because you’re this facts-based and logical-arguments-from-the-facts kind of guy.

You know, rational and reality based.

Those folks live in a haunted universe. I think the current state of the US Government (being run by the Pythons’ Very Silly Party) shows us you’re right.

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Denial is a very strong mental defense against being proven wrong. Take for example Orly Taitz who was a woman convinced that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim plant and an illegal President. She was THE birther of all birthers and no amount of evidence could convince her of errors of factual reality.
Evangelicals will find a way to convince themselves of their righteous rightness. Jesus could show up and loudly proclaim he was just human and not anything else and they would find a way to elevate him back to godhood.

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I was a fact based scientist who did research and published those results and who taught medical students. I couldn’t afford to indulge in denial and non-reality.
If I published stuff that was fantasy my career would be done and dusted in a heartbeat. That’s the difference between politics and science. In politics you can lie with impunity.

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No, he’d be another vote for conviction.

Votes of impeachment occur in the House of Representatives.

Remember—“impeachment” is just a fancy word for “accuse.” It’s the conviction in the Senate that has teeth.

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The thing is, for elected officials, there seems to be a lot of pushback against the very idea of parties having input into the primaries and into who represents them. Yes, I’m thinking about the Democrats and Bernie here - “thumbs on the scale” and all that. But even before that, the Texas two-step was done away with (precinct caucuses held immediately after polls closed had 25% input into the selection; the rest was from the primary election). Basically a move away from party structure and party people having more say that the average joe in who is representing a political party. It’s like primaries are being treated like regional brackets in basketball, not as a school choosing who’s on their own team.

In general the move away from smoke-filled rooms is a good thing. But straight-up populism doesn’t seem to be producing better candidates or better races, IMO. Murkowski had to run as a write-in for her own seat up in Alaska because she lost the primary. The tea party and then people like Roy Moore weren’t the choices of the establishment, and in many cases of the people either.

What happens is you get a bad candidate like Moore whom the party doesn’t want to touch with a ten-foot-pole, except for that one big thing - which is that the other choice is, in their eyes, even worse, because they feel they have to win at all costs.

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