Discussion: GOP's Election Bloodbath In The Suburbs Complicates Tax Cut Push

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Good. Their tax reform is bs and should die like their Obama care repeals…

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Republicans’ suburban decimation at the polls Tuesday has vulnerable House members increasingly on edge — and it’s likely to make the GOP’s uphill struggle for a big tax bill even harder to achieve.

GOPers lose big, members on edge, tax cuts for mega-donors in flames. So … no downside whatsoever.

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“If we don’t pass our tax reform bill, if we don’t get this on the president’s desk, our base is going to be less likely to come out,”

Yet the rest of the electorate will be more turned off. Playing just to the base is stupid. But hey, what else does one expect from the rethugs.

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Its not the base he is talking about. Its the donors.

The problem is the Byrd rule is forcing them to raise taxes on much of their base, in order to deliver the promised tax cuts to the rich. Because, even with their dynamic scoring, doing anything else explodes the deficit and its no longer “revenue neutral”. (It explodes the deficit either way, but with the magical math of dynamic scoring, they can lie about it enough to get it passed through reconciliation).

The issue people like King are slowly waking up to, is that suddenly, the GOP is the party of raising taxes, and the motivation for that is completely unsalable…so they can cut taxes on the richest. Its a straight up redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the upper class, without even a fig leave to hide it behind.

This is made all the worse because the trending for what is happening in suburbs…republican strongholds for decades…continued on Tuesday. They are now the new battleground, and republicans are losing them. Raise taxes on those people and an already extremely ugly midterm starts to look like a suicide run.

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“Once we got into telling people how much we were going to cut their taxes we got into a question of how we’re going to pay for it,"

Republicans hate when they have to justify their bullshit by reconciling it with facts and common sense. Gets them every time.

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‘If we don’t pass our tax reform bill, if we don’t get this on the president’s desk, our base is going to be less likely to come out’

Trump’s core base - that unmoveable 35% - will come out no matter what, even when this tax cut will hit them the hardest. Trump has no real base in the affluent urban suburbs.

Our base = our corporate donors.

Those donors are already calculating the costs of Bannon’s ‘anti-globalist’ moves on their bottom line. The fossil fuel and steel industry - plus cranks like Mercer - are peanuts relative to the number of donors they are driving away. That corporate tax cut is going to have to be massive.

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And after tax reform, pass it or not, comes a budget that will try to gut programs like Medicare, Medicaid, job training, any social program. Hurt suburbia with tax reform. Hurt a lot of other Republican voters with the budget. All in order to help the top 1%.

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Seriously?

The Republican constituency is the upper class. The Republican’s quandary is how to lie about it. Trump’s assurance that he won’t make a dime off the tax plan didn’t work. (Wonder why.)

Maybe Pat Robertson can come up with something more believable…

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Sucks to be the majority.

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“If we had stuck just to things that generated economic growth…

Who knew Issa would be touting electing Democrats?

After all, we know that sticking to that as shown every time to not only cut deficits but have better economic results.

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I just fear what Republicans will do as they are effectively cornered animals. They might just be more dangerous than before

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Wisconsin Senate OKs Constitutional Convention Call

…Article V of the U.S. Constitution creates two paths for amending the document. Congress can refer an amendment to the states by a two-thirds vote of each chamber or two-thirds of state Legislatures — 34 states — can request that Congress call a convention of the states. Both methods require at least 38 states to ratify an amendment before it can take effect. Wisconsin is the now the 28th state to call for the gathering…

(Bold mine).

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/wisconsin/articles/2017-11-07/wisconsin-senate-set-to-call-for-constitutional-convention

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Ah yes but it is disguised with a small cut for the lower class, a little more for upper middle class, for 5 years. But what is not talked about is when does the deficit effect the social services that most of us need, SS, and Medicare for example?

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I noticed that as well. But the, if you’ll pardon the expression, elephant in the room is that they’re worried about whether or not the base will come out. In other words, they are worried about re-election–not whether the tax cuts will be good for their constituents.

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Suicide for them. When they figure out how much Federal money each state will lose balancing the budget, it will tank.

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Only if you think their real reason is to add a balanced budget amendment. It is not. They seek to turn American into a “Christian” Theocratic Oligarchy…

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Indeed. In the district I know best - a wealthy suburb of Minneapolis, home to health care industries, with pretty progressive voters (at least those closest to Minneapolis) - the GOP rep (Paulsen) mentioned above won by 14%, but Trump lost it by 10%. Minnesota state and local taxes are the highest in the country, which is why it’s a nice place to live, but without the local and state deduction from federal taxes the proposed tax bill would be suicide for Paulsen and the GOP.

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Once again, as they did with healthcare, GOP reps. talk about “Tax Reform” as if Ryan’s wealth-transfer-to-the-rich bill is the only option, like it’s a generic commodity they must pass or be seen as breaking their promise & thereby lose the House. But the devil is in the DETAILS, again.
And again, like healthcare, the details in this bill [that somehow can’t be amended] screw their constituents, and badly.
But, by all means, please proceed. GOP lemmings, there’s the cliff.

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Trump: Electoral College gave me the authority to take money and healthcare away from people and give it to Billionaires.

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