Discussion: GOP State Reps Propose Monument In Memory Of Black Confederate Soldiers

Nothing is too low or too shameful for the White Dixiecrats, who were staunch Democrats out of pure spite for a century, and who are all now Republicans because a Democrat President passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.

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Last time this black confederates fought for south rightwing nut job trope was in news Eric Foner wrote that there is no evidence whatsoever that any slaves actually fought- you know with guns, so called arms- for the csa. Sorry no link.
Poisonous loser treasonous revanchism dies hard

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This has nothing to do with honoring black Confederate soldiers and everything to do about trying to draw a false equivalency between an oppressive force and those forced to serve within it. It’s a smug stunt to further the bullshit narrative that it’s all about “heritage”. It’s the monument building equivalent to the “I’m not racist, I have black friends!” line.

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Yes, because this was the legacy of the black man in South Carolina during the Confederacy: a soldier in the Confederate Army.

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It is ALWAYS about Cleek’s Law. Always, always, always.

Fuck all of those un-American, racist assholes.

Were there a Just God, there would be a lot of smoking holes in the ground where each of those motherfuckers formerly stood.

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Not quite. It’s the equivalent of “You don’t like that we keep honoring traitors? Fine, we’ll put up statues of them coloreds, and pretend that they were willing soldiers, just to annoy you lie-berals.”

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State Reps. Bill Chumley and Mike Burns said Monday they want to recognize African-Americans whose courage has been purposely discounted in history books. They point out that hundreds of black South Carolinians applied for state-provided Confederate pensions.

These fucking State Reps are just evil by the sick and cynical way they’re suggesting African American Confederate pensions were freely given by the good graces of the vanquished southern army. There’s little evidence of much of a pension system that paid out to Blacks for the most part from what I’ve read. Its true that some applied in their respective states for those pensions after the war ended, having been forced into the war effort as an extension of their servitude to aid the South by slaveowners, and to keep the institution of slavery a centerpiece of the fight. Whether or not most slaves received those elusive pensions years later is hard to measure, and even harder to believe. Very few white Confederate soldiers received adequate pensions following the Civil War, as their greybacks (as opposed to greenbacks) were virtually useless, having lost currency literally as soon as the war ended. It was only years later that those white soldiers got paid in arrears themselves from the various individual southern states that set up funding for white soldiers. Black pensioners, if there were any to speak of that were actually given those payments, had to submit paperwork, have someone vouch for them, and generally did not serve beyond the role they were designated in order to support the south’s war effort; that being forced to work in munition factories, transporters of those munitions, cooks, servants to other white confederate soldiers, or in the field supplying the Confederate Army with food stock provided to feed the Confederate soldiers.

The nerve of these assholes to even suggest this monument in a cynical attempt to take the focus off of bringing down Confederate Monuments in the public square is obvious. It makes me sick to see this lame attempt try to pass any sort of muster.

How about a real emancipation monument to freed black slaves? That is what is sorely needed and missing in our public square, not just in the south but everywhere in this country. A true testament to their endurance and a symbolic measure for their fight to stay alive under the most dire circumstances of enslavement by a system that imposed the cruelty of human chattel.

This article however did make me interested to look up more about the Confederate pension system, if indeed any existed, which they did by individual southern states mentioned. I have never been much of a student of the Civil War, but one thing I really don’t like is when someone tries to sell the public bullshit about that war that you can smell from miles away. This proposal by these white southern Reps. in SC stinks to high heaven.

http://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/articles/289/black-confederate-pensioners-after-the-civil-war

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When he fights tooth and nail to memorialize the enslaved people of the south, then he will have my attention.

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Ah, yes, the legendary Unverifiable But Totally True Black Confederate Soldiers, whose very existence proves, proves, I say that the war wasn’t about slavery and the CSA wasn’t racist, Confederate Constitution, Cornerstone Speech and the ordinances of secession notwithstanding. Been hearing about them in the south my whole fucking life.

Enslaved people were forced to do camp duty and build fortifications. At the very end, in 1865, as the Confederate Congress and Government began to feel the harsh hairy rasp of the hangman’s noose around their necks, they desperately authorized a bill that would emancipate any slave that fought for the CSA–after the war was won, and trust us, this is totally legit. A few were in training in Virginia when Robert E. Lee sent a polite note to Jefferson Davis telling him this would be a really good time for the whole government to get the fuck out of town because Generals Meade and Grant were coming with a hundred thousand or so friends and wanted a few words with him.

But it proves they weren’t racist, amirite?

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Yes, a little bit of trite pandering will make all the difference . . . . .until the next time a white cop shoots and unarmed black citizen . . . .

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John Oliver outlined a few monuments that could be erected to replace the ones the Daughters of the Confederacy put up during Jim Crow. One was for Robert Smalls.
What these representatives are proposing is tone deaf concern trolling or 40 acres and a fool.

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I’ve read extensively on the Civil War and it’s my understanding is that near the end of the war slaves in and around Richmond were offered freedom (eventually) if they fought. A brigade or 2 was raised and drilled but the war ended before they ever got near a battle. Typical Peckerwood ‘thinking’.

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Oddly enough, it will look almost exactly like a monument to white people enslaving black people, only with uniforms.

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One obstacle to fulfilling secessionist yearnings to have enslaved people die for those who enslaved them was, of course, a wee bit of anxiety about putting guns into the hands of those enslaved people.

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Some of the things my fellow Civil War history buffs and enthusiasts do is embarrassing for sure. That’s not to say they are the only ones doing smh stuff. Honor their lives for sure but if they had not been slaves to start with,they never would’ve become Confederate cooks,teamsters etc.

As slavery was the "cornerstone " on which the Confederacy was built, why not a monument to all slaves?

Tony Horwitz’ “Confederates in the Attic” is an incredible recounting of his summer with the reenactors:

Yes it is. Read that in 2015. Made a list of places he wrote about so I could visit there too. I’ve checked 3/4 of them off the list since then. Got plans to visit at least a couple more next year.