Discussion: GA Election Server Wiped By Custodians Amid Lawsuit Filed Against Officials

Spoliation if civil, obstruction of justice if criminal.

So if a civil case is in process, but you know that some of the evidence in that case could, if made public, lead to a criminal case, which would it be? Just asking.

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It’s actually called election fraud. Voter fraud would be individual voters committing a fraudulent act, or being defrauded. In this case it would be the entire election.

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In my work, I have from time to time received notices from our company lawyers, informing me that the company was being sued by someone-or-other about something-or-other, and directing me to immediately take steps to preserve all communications related to the matter. I then have to click to confirm on a page of legalese that speaks of dire consequences to me and the company if I am not careful to preserve the data.

If the employees of the Center in question did not receive something similar, it would be massive incompetence on the part of their legal team.

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The latter.

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NOTHING to do with the Moron surprises me any more .

Unfortunately TPM headline makes it sound like the janitors accidentally unplugged the server, as opposed to the responsible organization deliberately taking steps to delete the data. obstruction of justice, anyone?

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This is why I vote absentee ballot in large elections. Not mentioned is the fact that a few years ago Kemp’s office passed out voters data to political groups and some press - legal - but neglected to screen out our social security numbers, DOB. One of the groups noticed the added information and notified Kemp’s office. They asked for the disks back and offered to give I’D protections to citizens who wanted it. When I tried to use the service, it required even more personal information. Decided not to give it to them. Kemp personifies corrupt ineptitude.

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I’m sure there’s a perfectly innocent explanation. And I’m sure that I got a really, really great deal on that bridge in Brooklyn…

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It wasn’t just one set of files. On another date, other files, backups of what had been deleted, were also deleted. If that is accidental, I’ll eat one of Rep Wilson’s hats.

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Link please.

Do I really believe it is possible that engineers working on a security problem could be so utterly clueless that they were unaware of the possibility of litigation and the need to preserve evidence? No. But for an engineer, this is an easy flow chart.

I have a problem to fix.

Can I fix this by wiping data and reusing existing hardware? (Yes/maybe)(No)
If no, call the suits and ask them to pay for new hardware.
If yes/maybe, have The Lawyers sent us a preservation letter? (Yes)(No)
If no, all clear! Fix problem.
If yes, call the suits and ask them to pay for new hardware.

And that’s the new, post ESI engineer mindset. Even if they know, or ought to know, that data they want to wipe is likely the subject of litigation, as long as no one has sent out the letter you know will be coming, you are clear to completely assfuck the litigation you know is coming.

Engineers seize on words like ā€œsafe harborā€ and ā€œdue diligenceā€ and imbue them with meanings filled with engineer binary certainty and devoid of thought regarding real world consequences and, above all, the appearance of impropriety.

And this is why the real villains of the piece are the lawyers. They know full well how this works and how engineers think. Engineers are like squirrels and the evidence is a birdfeeder and the lawyer is the human whose job it is to keep the squirrels out of the feeder. The failure to send out a preservation letter was the equivalent of Henry II asking whether anyone will rid him of that turbulent priest.

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This is what the federal voter fraud panel should be looking into if they were competent or motivated to eliminate election fraud. Of course we already know that they are neither, but elections are stolen by corrupt election officials. Maybe now hackers, too. Not by conspiracies of several thousand people voting twice, and all for the same candidate, and wasting another hour or three on a repeat errand that has nothing in it for them, and miraculously keeping the whole thing secret.

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Certainly no smoke down there in Georgia…

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Unfortunately, a March image would not reveal any mischief that took place during the Ossoff/Handel June special election.

I live in Georgia, and our elections have been suspect since 2002, when the paperless Diebold machines went into use. We still vote on those 15-year-old machines. In the 2002 election, Vietnam War vet Max Cleland lost to Saxby Chambliss, even though Cleland had been leading in most polls. Georgia is gradually turning blue, and the Republicans here are doing everything they can to prevent that, including all sorts of election fraud like this. The guy in charge of our elections, Secretary of State Brian Kemp, is running for governor, and he’s as shady as they come. I hope this latest incident gets people outraged, but I’m afraid we’ll have at least one more election stolen by these thugs.

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ā€œwe did not have anything to do with this decision,ā€ is the common refrain. Since GA is a heavy red state most people will know without being asked if the leading contender is your man then go head, no harm, no foul. So now that there is no evidence of a crime, then no crime…business as usual.

And that’s what we can continue to expect until there’s threat of jail time for elections officials.

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How much does Kennesaw State charge for its Computer Sciences degree program? So typical for the South-- the lying sacks of shame who run things and ā€œjes caint hep themselvesā€. political grannie