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Now, I am not saying she asked for it…
But when women date assholes like this, there is a certain amount of rewarding bad behavior going on.
Now was it legitimate rape or something God intended? Just future republicans being boys…
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Perhaps you already understand this, but I just want to make it clear that the story doesn’t say that the sexual assault victim was dating the guy who is accused of sexually assaulting her. It says that the person who recorded the rape enthusiasts was dating a different frat brother. Granted, probably most of the frat brothers are assholes too, but there’s not enough info in the story to conclude whether this was the case with the videographer’s boyfriend.
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A voice in a group of guys yelling “let’s rape some bitches” is accused of sexual assault.
Imagine that.
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I don’t get how you came up with that comment from this article. Was reporting the incident to the police “rewarding his bad behavior?”
C’mon, Ex. (Can I call you Ex?) Reporting afterwards was good and just. But willingly being in the frat house beforehand was at least ill-advised. Then again, as all GOP voters are discovering, bad boys are so attractive.
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WTF is wrong with these men? And why do college campuses still play any part in rape reporting? They’re obviously miserable failures and at best prevent cases from gaining any legitimate legal traction. Then again, perhaps education on reporting would help, as it took the young woman four months from the incident to even report it to the campus.
How about slut shaming the families of the young men in the tape? I’m sure this kind of youthful jocularity was perfectly accepted in their homes and by their parents. "Yeah, son, the first time I banged your mom she wasn’t even conscious, which would have been a feat considering I fed her jello-shots until she passed out! Not only that, she told me how much she loved being my little bitch the next morning! Hah, women!
I assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that the victim was spending the night at the frat house because she was dating someone there. Whether or not she was dating her assailant is not clear, that’s true.
But its one of two scenarios…she was dating an asshole that left her alone after she passed out/fell asleep to be raped by his brothers, or she was dating the guy who raped her.
Either way, dating these type of guys in either situation falls into the rewarding bad behavior category for me. Unless of course the guy in question has an amazingly wonderful alter ego that he uses until the lights go out or the camera is running. Which I find kind of doubtful.
Passing out or falling asleep (and since the article is indicating she didn’t remember the assault, only that she woke up sore and saw a used condom on the floor, I am going to go with passing out) in the company of assholes who would rape you is not particularly safe behavior.
Considering she was in the frat house in the first place and doing whatever she was doing that led to her passing out, I assume she was dating someone there (I think we can safely rule out that some kind soul in the frat house was worried about her safety and just wanted to give her a place to sleep it off, don’t you?). Dating assholes that rape women is rewarding bad behavior.
I don’t know the details, but she might not have been dating anyone. But you’re right that any guy who would leave his girlfriend (or for that matter, friend or acquaintance) alone, passed out / asleep, at a frat house, is an idiot, a scumbag, or most likely both.
I’ll admit that I don’t know much about how fraternities work, so maybe there’s some reason I’m not aware of that leads you to believe she was “dating” someone there. Nonetheless, it seems like a pretty sure bet that she either knew at least one member of the frat, or came there with at least one other person – maybe a significant other, but possibly a friend or acquaintance. Maybe whoever she came with passed out / fell asleep too, I don’t know. Or maybe they just left her there.
Just to be clear (and I know you’re not saying any different) the person responsible for the sexual assault is the perpetrator of the sexual assault, not anyone else. But clearly others can share responsibility for creating the conditions for sexual assault to take place, including anyone who sees someone in a very vulnerable position and does nothing to prevent them from being victimized.
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Actually, I find that idea not completely crazy…
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Seriously. “Completely unsurprising” would be a vast understatement.
More or less business as usual in Florida — based on several of my experiences there (which range from absurd to catastrophic). Not that these things don’t happen elsewhere…just that they seem to have a special flavor in Florida., a flavor that I won’t (and need not) describe.
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I beg your pardon? There is never, EVER, an excuse for rape. NEVER! She did not “deserve” what happened to her, no matter what lead up to the incident. Such thought-processes are part of the rape culture that needs to be done away with in this country and the world!
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If a frat house is a place where everyone accepts that a woman can fall asleep alone without running a high risk of being raped, then it is somewhere lower on the scale of habitability than a crack house. And should be demolished immediately.
But somehow “boys will be boys”.
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I hope someone outs this fuck and if he indeed is a rapist then I hope it follows him for the rest of his life.
Oh FFS…
Try reading once in awhile before jumping in with guns ablazing. Nobody said there was an excuse for rape, nobody said she deserved it. But people, myself included, are saying that taking a few cautionary steps might be wise. I am sorry if you think that “not passing out in a frat house” is a bridge too far in the safety advice column.
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Your use of this term is interesting, particularly for the activity you recommend.