Discussion: Franken Says He's Leaving Senate But Not Giving Up His Voice

Another example of the Democrats eating their own in an attempt to show we’re better than anyone else. I guess the example of the 2016 election didn’t sink in.

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Yet another Neoliberal, Wall Street tool pandering to the downtrodden while protecting her billionaire class funders. What has that gotten us since 1992? A seamless continuation of Reagan policies, the loss of Congress in 1994, Gore, Kerry, Hillary Clinton and the thoroughly, soul-crushing lost opportunity of the Obama presidency, Congressional losses in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2010 and 2014, the blown opportunity of regaining control of the Senate in 2016, and losing control of the majority of state governments. But hey, let’s prove Einstein right once again regarding the definition of insanity…

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“Mr. Trump, who will turn 72 next year, was modest. “Gets shorter every year,” he said.”

Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha…>snort<

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This appears to be true. To become President, one must be quite opportunistic. The question of rank in the Great President Sweepstakes is settled by the other values which informed their tenure.

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So sad. The only real accomplishment for Dems in the Senate this year was getting rid of one of the best we have. Congratulations senators, great accomplishment.

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From the PPP survey about Franken’s resignation:

Franken’s continued popularity is being driven especially by women. 57% of them like the job he’s doing to 37% who don’t. By contrast Donald Trump stands at 40/58 with women in the state.

'Nuff said about that!

-Minnesotans don’t like how the process with Franken’s resignation has played out. 60% think the Senate Ethics Committee should have completed its investigation (including 79% of Democrats and 61% of independents) before any decision was made about Franken’s future, while only 35% think he should resign immediately.

I feel like i’m now guilty of jumping the gun in encouraging him to resign. Shame on me!

Beyond that 76% of Minnesota voters think their voices should have been more important in determining whether Franken stayed in the Senate or not, to only 12% who think that should have been determined more by his fellow Senators in Washington.

YES, indeed!

Senator Franken, it is still not too late.

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Now that’s some serious unicorn picking going on right there. Might want to add a little context there next time.

In 2000, W won the election, and its quite normal that a President will have coat tails (I will be coming back to that). In 2002, well…right after 9/11, republicans picking up seats isn’t surprising. 2004, with Bush still beating the war drums, and Kerry losing…again, not a big surprise. But in 2006, a midterm, Democrats took back the House and Senate. And added seats in 2008 (Obama won, had coat tails). 2010 was a wave against us, largely because we did a disastrous job of messaging on healthcare and Obama was pretty meh concerning midterms, but lo and behold…2012, Obama wins and we pick up seats. 2014, Obama is still meh on midterms, and that brings up to 2016.

Where a republican wins the WH and they LOSE seats in both the House and the Senate. Despite the best efforts of the unicorn brigade.

I am not a fan of Gillibrand’s. But the point was, I don’t think she killed her career by leading the charge to drive out Franken. I don’t think she garnered any big win, either. I think she is an extremely opportunistic politician and has been her whole career. Ultimately, I think she will (probably has, but don’t know for sure) her hand with the #MeToo movement.

I think that statements like

is over the top nonsensical rantings of a Bernie lover. But if you really don’t like her, buck up and do the research and give your comments some context in reality.

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My only retort to that is that the greatest accomplishment of the Dems in 2017 was PREVENTING the vast majority of Republican initiatives from being realized. Being the Minority Party does not mean being powerless. Dems did not control the agenda for Congressional action, but they did prevent a much worse disaster from being unleashed on the American people.

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In other words it’s his TV show that he’s forcing the rest of us to live in.

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It’s The Truman Show only with DonT instead of Jim Carrey. He’s having the best time of his life, golfing and traveling on the country’s dime, headlines, interviews, rabid response at never ending campaign rallies, and I hope people don’t take anything he does to mean he’s on his way to resigning, even the results of a physical which he might say he’s very very sick.

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I would like to see a Democratic Party Primary process for the Senate seat being vacated and handed to any appointee. It is absolutely essential that the strongest progressive (D) candidate be the nominee to run against the likely (R) who will more than likely be Tim Pawlenty.
Recent polling I’ve seen indicates that at least 50% of Minnesotans think Franken should not have resigned and 60% believe the Ethics investigation should have gone forward. Ms. Tweeden should have made her charges and case under oath not on “Talk Radio”. Further unless anonymous “accusers” are willing to come forward and testify, it is all just hearsay.

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There is none, and people should remember she was the leader of more than a few Senators who agreed to call for Franken’s resignation including those from my state, two women. Give us a woman’s name in a story and we respond accordingly, we trash and denigrate.

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Trump and Jim Carrey have one thing in common; they are both antivaxxers.

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Interesting, didn’t put that together. Antivaxxers here have to do homeschooling because under new state law kids can’t be registered for school without proof of vaccinations.

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The dystopian view of the country you’ve chosen means you’re moving to Canada pretty soon, right.

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Pushing Franken out after he’d called to be investigated was the wrong move. Americans, regardless of political stripe want fighters. We lost one of our best to friendly fire. Not to the accusations made against Franken but to the back stabbing of his own party.

Senator Gilabrand is now the face of that betrayal and the poster child for a wimpy party that folds in the face of a fight.

In two years time when Minnesota elects the next Norm Coleman type, you will see how the math of her calculation was a net loss.

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Agreed. Although I do think she hurt herself by being the first and loudest voice to demand his resignation. But the reason I doubt she’ll win in 2020 is because she doesn’t have much else to run on. #Metoo is important, but it’s not the issue that’s going to carry the day.

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One of my Senators is Kamala Harris who’s on some kind of wishlist as a contender in 2020. She’s doing great work for California and I wouldn’t want her to jump into a presidential campaign for a lot of reasons including the very real possibility “opportunistic” will be shouted at her. I also don’t want to see a mixed race woman being subjected to the right wing noise machine and the overall misogyny of the public at large when it comes to women candidates for anything. With Franken’s replacement coming into the Senate there are now 22, count 'em, 22 women in the Senate. When we add 28 more we’ll be half the Senate. But it will be at great cost.

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Drink!

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Here are the other Senators who called for Franken’s resignation, and whether it was justified or not is beside the point. Where’s the invective for the rest of them?

Ms. Gillibrand was joined by Senators Mazie K. Hirono of Hawaii, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Dianne Feinstein of California, Patty Murray of Washington State, Kamala Harris of California, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Maria Cantwell of Washington State, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois and Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, who issued statements after talking privately with each other for weeks about what to do about Mr. Franken.

Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat, added his support, as did Senators Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts and Sherrod Brown of Ohio, as well as Mr. Perez of the Democratic National Committee.

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