An under-reported aspect of the events in Charlottesville is that Jewish synagogues were also targeted by terrorists as part of their fear-raising campaign.
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Good luck living in that perfectly rational, hermetically sealed world you are imagining. Itâs not the one the rest of us live in. I think the protests are important and needed. I also think they will be better and more effective if no one protesting the racism does so violently. That would be awesome. But also not very realistic. The point is to prevent people from framing normal reactions to hate in a way that makes getting pissed off at Nazis the moral equivalent of being a Nazi.
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That stands to reason since the Holocaust memorial in Boston was vandalized for the 2d time and Jewish gravesites all over the country have been vandalized since Trump was appointed.
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Letter is now disappeared from your link.
Or at CostcoâŚ
Jews will not replace us. This is the thing that damns them. You cannot say there were people of good will in this crowd. This was not about a statue.
Hah! They didnât even sing Dixie.
Yes they are.
Listen for years the KKK has been marching and there have been rightwing demonstrations of hatefulness that were ignored and ignoring any more amounts to complicity.
You cannot ignore Nazis. You fight Nazis.
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Yes, it fits. And the illegal torchlight march was also anti-semitic. But it went beyond that and should be better known that it went beyond that. People are letting themselves get caught up in a debate about both sides. The antidote to that is to start enumerating the elements of this terrorist attack on Charlottesville. No aspect of what UniteTheRight did there was legal. That thing they had a permit for never happened, so thatâs a pure red herring.
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So long as antifa protesters are throwing punches theyâll be ceding ground to the fascists. Itâs what the fascists want. It allows them to play the victim, to paint themselves as the truly oppressed. Go ahead, give the bigots what they seek. Validate their claims of persecution. Tell me how that works out.
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There is one difference between the two sides. If one is referring to violence on âboth sides,â in my opinion one would be talking about organized Neo-Nazi, white supremacist groups on one hand, and the antifa people on the other side. I donât include people who went there to protest the Nazi presence but got caught up in the emotion of the moment and lashed out (whether you agree with that or not, thatâs just where iâm coming from).
During the Obama years, how many times did TPM carry stories of local GOP leaders sending out racist emails (answer: it was A LOT)? How many GOPers have spoken about immigrants and refugees as if they were animals, undeserving of the rights guaranteed by the constitution? How many GOPers said, yeah, youâre right, we shouldnât fly the confederate flag and have these confederate statues up in our town? Nikki Haley, and maybe a handful of others? One political party has been, based on these actions, actively cultivating that kind of attitude in their base. Sure, NOW they are calling out Trumpâs statements, but not one GOP leader (Senators yes, but not in the leadership) has been brave enough to call out Trump personally for his bigotry. If they want to be leaders, they should lead their base away from bigotry, instead they are too scared to say anything and let it fester and grow into where we are today.
The Democratic party does not cultivate a similar relationship with antifa folks. Those people are relegated to the fringe (if they are even Democrats, i donât know if they are or not). Instead you are seeing a debate among these kinds of tactics among the left, whether beating up Nazis and tearing down statues is the morally acceptable thing to do.
Sorry to hijack your conversation @dcd and @26degreesrising apparently i had more to say than i thought 
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And your plan to stop it is what? Apparently to adopt right-wing framing techniques like referring to them as the âantifaâ, just about the stupidest term Iâve heard since âalt-leftâ (or âalt-rightâ for that matter)? Iâm sure thatâll make it stop. So letâs waste a lot of time talking about how bad those people are, instead of talking about how much Nazis suck. Great idea.
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O I agree it went beyond that - by miles and miles.
Everyone can deal with these people any way they want but personally I have no quarrel with the so called antifa. They are antifascists and I think this country has to fight back. And hard.
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While the Republicans have been courting embittered white people for ages. Excellent point.
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Whatever its roots âantifaâ has become perfectly acceptable shorthand for those opposing fascism. Unless youâre from Europe and are aware of its association with hooliganism and destructive tactics all it conjures to mind is someone opposing fascism. Americans coming to terms with increasing fascism in their midst certainly donât react negatively to words somehow denoting opposition to it.
Agreed but donât denigrate the poor horse.
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Nope, American. And here itâs being turned into a right-wing slur to smear the entire left as violent extremists. I donât plan to help them.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Itâll never work. Try as some might no one is ever going to fear a bunch of people with History and English degrees. Plus the left is too busy gentrifying urban neighborhoods and attending yoga classes to cause much harm. Do these people really look like violent extremists? Câmon!!
where a self-proclaimed white supremacist allegedly
drove his car into a crowd of counter-protestors, killing a woman named
Heather Hayer.
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No TPMâŚthereâs no âallegedlyâ here. The Nazi sympathizer was caught in his car. There isnât any doubt about this. Yes he should have his day in court and defend himself as best he can and have a lawyer provided and all the traditions he despises should be adhered to. And the facts need to be laid out for all to see. And a jury should then decide based on the facts as they are presented.
But as far as I feel? âAllegedlyâ should not be in that sentence.
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