Discussion: Former Obama White House Counsel Greg Craig Indicted For Lying To DOJ

This is for work done after he was a part of the Obama administration?

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Who the hell names their kid Greg when their last name is Craig?

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Correct, he left the Admin in the beginning of 2010. These crimes appear to be 2011 and forward. So the headline should read “Manafort Partner indicted for lying to DOJ”, and then within the article it should mention that he previously had been Obama’s WH counsel, that is something that can’t be ignored.

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Indeed. Should be indicted for that crime alone.

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I’d bet thousands of time when asked his name he says “Greg”, then they ask his last name and he says “Craig”, and the person then says “no, I said your LAST name”, etc. Why would parents do that? There is a guy that used to be a Chicago Cub named Billy Williams, I always thought that was dumb too. But at least he was a good guy, plus the two are pronounced much different. But as I kid I am sure there was a lot of confusion.

That indictment is still sealed.

Doesn’t matter if you’re a Democrat or a Republican, you lie you die. Throw the book at him just as the book needs to be thrown at Republicans.

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Billy Leo Williams was more than “a guy” who was “at least …a good guy.” He hit over .300 for an entire National League Baseball season 5 times. He had 426 career Home Runs.

He was NL Rookie of the Year in 1961. He was a clutch and very steady middle of the line up bat for the very tough Chicago Cubs of the 60-70s team that featured Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, and Jim Hickman, who were no slouches. Their best pitchers were Ferguson Jenkins and Ken Holtzman.

His parents named him Billy Leo Williams. I don’t see what the problem is.

Oh, and his number (26) was retired by the Chicago Cubs, and he was inducted to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1987.

I would say pretty damn good for “a guy” who was “at least, a good guy.”

I am not even a Cub fan. Are there no freaking Cub fans here to defend Billy Williams?

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No, there are not. Cub fans are elitist, snobbish conservatives who look down on people from the South Side of Chicago. To heck with William Williams.

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You have no idea who is a Cub fan on this board.
Woe to ye.

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Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?!

https://twitter.com/wildethingy/status/1115365754898194432

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I am well aware of who he was, but felt it was off topic to go on a sports rant. I am also well aware of all those Cubs, and know that Fergie is one of two pitchers in history to have more than 3000 k’s and less than 1000 walks, quite a feat. Maddux was the other. I also loved Fergie since I know he loves his hashish. Also, as a NY fan I am sure you don’t want me to remind you of the Cubs collapse of 1969… But I was very please to see the Cubs win a WS, I think Chicago fans are great (as well as St. Louis Cards fans).

But since Billy is short for William. it does not seem logical to make that a name since many people who like formal names might call him William. It can be confusing for people reading forms he filled out, etc. But compared to Greg Craig it’s a great name.

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OK. I forgive you then.

I wouldnt tease anyone who was a fan of the 1969 Cubs. Those were loyal fans, and included the late great Steve Goodman. Who suffered through other heartbreak in other post seasons (against the Padres and Marlins and Mets) before they won their World Series.

But as long as you are aware that Billy Williams was not some schmo, and seem to be a decent Cub fan, I will remove my Fatwah against you.

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A ti te gusta la pelota.

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Yep. I grew up in a great period to be a baseball fan, and watching the PR Winter League in its Post WW2 era. Got to see Roberto Clemente as player manager (very part time player) make a one hop throw from deep RF to Home to keep some runner frozen at 3B. Saw Frank Robinson as Manager while he was an AL MVP active player with Baltimore. Also got to see a ton of future AL and NL players Lee May, Richie Zisk, Ken Singleton, Ron Cey, Dusty Baker, Bernie Carbo, Don Baylor all on their way up from the Minors. Also, stars like Tony Perez and Mike Cuellar and Orlando Cepeda would play half a season to stay in shape. And my Dad and uncles all saw Negro League greats like Josh Gibson hit balls clear out of the old Escambron Stadium into the surf beyond the wall. And Roy Campanella. And Hank Aaron, on their way up. .

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Also remember exactly where I was and the exact moment on the morning of January 1, 1973 when my alarm radio woke me with the news that Roberto Clemente’s flight to take earth quake relief to Nicaragua had crashed and he was presumed dead.

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I have found NY, Chicago and St Louis fans to be the smartest in general, and I respect that and root for Chicago or St Louis if NY teams are out of it. Good fans deserve titles. I have been at games in CA, TX, FL and other places, and am amazed at how clueless a lot of fans are.

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5’11"…and used a HUGE bat.

I was a baseball fan as well…I have lots of stories…but the item which ties me to baseball (and the times when, as a kid, I was really into it) was a TV show called Home Run Derby. Top baseball stars (Mays, Killebrew, Mantle, Robinson) would compete in a long-ball contest.

That was it. kids are different now. What me and my buddies ooohhed and aaaahhhed over would have been switched to another (of the 1000 selections) channel.

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In PR in the mid to late 60s to the early 70s, we had The Game of the Week, and the Post Season.

The Ted Turner Cable Company began operating in PR in the early 70s and we began to watch the Braves every night (powder blue polyester uniforms). So, no HR derby show.

In fourth-fifth grade, my dad subscribed me to Boy’s Life, which each month had a feature article on an athlete every issue (my first issue had Dave Bing, later issues were about Fran “the Scrambler” Tarkenton, Joe Kapp, Willie Mays, Harmon Killebrew). A friend started giving us The Sporting News after he and his Dad read them, so we subscribed to that for many years (Peter Gammons wrote the AL Beat column every week). The English paper (San Juan Star) and the upstart Spanish paper (El Nuevo Dia) had good baseball coverage, both MLB and the PR Winter League.