Discussion for article #229248
It is really difficult to unring a bell. There have already been so many headlines and stories claiming that this autopsy report validates the officer’s version of events.
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What does she not understand about the potential jury pool needing to be peed in as soon as possible?
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Too little too late.
My local paper ran a piece on this by-lined from the Washington Post that ran a full page and a half with tons of “pundits” claiming this fully vindicated Officer Wilson and therefore no investigation is required.
There is no way any charges will be brought against Wilson now (not that there ever was since no police report was ever filed on the incident.)
They have successfully vilified a dead young man who got shot 7 times for walking in the street.
It’s Travon Martin all over again. The jury pool is now irrevocably tainted and any case is ruined, just like the powers-that-be wanted.
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It is becoming clearer everyday that the Justice Department is the only hope here for a trial in what is everyday becoming a more shameful episode. The key question for me is " will Holder stick around"?
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Lawrence O’Donnel did a very good job of getting her to clarify her findings - yet the St. Louis Dispatch and that fucking WAPO just ran with the bullshit.
Disgraceful
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“It could also be consistent with other scenarios.”
Yeah, like an angry white cop pulling out his gun and shooting the kid in the hand on purpose because he dared to stand up to his police bullying bullshit. Or * gasp * the gun gong off and Brown’s hand just happening to be near it because of the way they were struggling in the car…which, really, is the point here: the conservatives, racist apologists and enablers all want desperately to draw conclusions about Brown’s INTENT from the fact that his hand was near the gun when it discharged. It CANNOT be done. There is absolutely no way to draw that part of their conclusions based on the autopsy alone. It’s a logical fallacy.
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They believed Wilson’s story anyway. The problem is that Wilson’s story doesn’t match a lot of other evidence.
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This far and away a much scarier story than the Ebola crap. Cops across the USA in the face of overwhelming evidence retain their power of trial by bullet. Well done Missouri.
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All the evidence shows is that Brown’s hand was near the gun when it went off…okay…now, here’s the thing…that shows that Brown was shot at point blank range at some point during the incident.
The question is then- what was the pathing of the bullet? Did it miss Brown entirely because if he was reaching for the weapon and the gun had gone off striking Brown in the hand, the bullet should have hit Brown’s shoulder or chest depending on the angle.
Simply put, this is data, any interpretation is simply speculation without the entirety of the data set.
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What has science done for us lately?*
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*Not intended to be a factual statement
Evidently this woman had no problem speaking out on a case she really has little knowledge of, and has probably now gotten a lot of blow back, which is why she is now claiming she was taken out of context. She must now worry about not getting those big bucks testifying as an “expert witness” in future cases after she messed up this bad, basically giving Wilson’s lawyer, the Ferguson PD, and this corrupt prosecuting attorney everything they wanted to hear.
Of course she did not feel it was necessary to explain to the reporter, that the autopsy could just as easily show that Wilson had his gun drawn on Brown when he grabbed him around the neck as witnesses have said, and that the wound is perfectly consistent with Brown fearing for his life and trying to fight back and push the gun out of the way. The trajectory of that particular wound shows that his hand was close to the end of the barrel when the shot was fired, which would be very consistent with him trying to push the gun away, NOT grabbing the gun.
This might explain the first shot, but people like to forget that it in no way explains the rest of the incident, which resulted in a kill shot to the top of a 6’4" man’s head, who was clearly far away from that officer’s car when it was fired, or the FACT that this cop got out of his car and proceeded to keep firing when EVERY witness on the scene said Brown was running away with his back to the officer.
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I may be stupid, but I just don’t understand how you get powderburns by reaching across someone sitting in a car and grabbing for their holstered gun. How does that gun get discharged on a hand when it’s holstered? Or is the assumption that Brown was trying to grab it out of Wilson’s hand as he was pointing it at Brown?
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That’s why we need to have a trial. There is evidence, and then there is spin. All we’ve heard from the police is spin, and I’m really tired of it. Dribble this, spin that, dribble some more is clearly designed to support the actions of Wilson, and apparently he didn’t even bother to write a report. It has been said that he declined due to his 5th amendment rights. If that’s true, he should immediately be fired for breaking department policy…assuming they actually have a policy. Having been a sworn officer, you always write a report. Always!
Charge Wilson, put him on trial, and let the jury hear everything and then decide. If they decide he’s not guilty, I’ll accept that. But if there is never any jury or judge hearing all the evidence nobody will be satisfied, and certainly justice will never prevail.
Wilson isn’t talking (or reporting) and the only other living witness to the whole thing says Wilson killed Brown with no reason. His story is not inconsistent with the autopsy report. It’s time to have a trial!
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No, No , No. The point is a Petit Jury should hear the witnesses and see the evidence presented and cross examined in open court in public. The Grand Jury (in secret) is not the proper place for that. They have more than enough testimony to decide that the officer should face charges in open court.
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She also volunteered that this thumb wound was inconsistent with testimony that said Brown had his hands up. No one ever said he had his hands up in the struggle near the car!!(as far as I know no one has put Brown in the car) Accordingly, she was perfectly willing to limit her speculation to helping Wilson while citing insufficient information supporting any conclusions that would support the case against him. Brown was not killed near the car, and every witness but one said he had his hands up.
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Exactly! As she did finally have to admit, after Lawrence basically forced her to, that nothing from just that autopsy report was enough to prove what actually happened, and yet she was trying to assert that the autopsy did indeed exonerate Wilson, and specifically due to that one wound to his thumb. She wanted her fifteen minutes of fame, and then cried foul when she got the well deserved blow back.
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So let me get this straight: Brown while standing on the street assaults an armed police officer who is sitting in his car . A witness said the officer ,while sitting in the car, tries to drag Brown through the window. Every cop I know, says this is crazy behavior. You get out of the car, you don’t pull someone to the window while you are sitting down. Evidence says bullet shot from in the car while Brown is outside the car. Could Brown have been shot while Wilson is grabbing his arm splattering blood on Wilson as he pulls away and runs for it?
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When I read that sentence yesterday, about how that shows that Brown was reaching for the gun, I stopped in my tracks, wondering how in the world she could come to that specific conclusion. I have been a journalist for 30 years, so I understand the pressures that come from trying to write such a story and stay true to the source. It seems in this case, the PD reporter failed in that regard.
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Really? How did you deduce that? And then you talk about other people’s “speculation”??